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> Not everyone of course, but even a large number of psychedelic researchers who were supposedly doing it the “right way” were still walking away with bizarre a

> Not everyone of course, but even a large number of psychedelic researchers who were supposedly doing it the “right way” were still walking away with bizarre and irrational beliefs: https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/28/why-were-early-psyched https://slatestarcodex.com/2016/04/28/why-were-early-psyched... That article gives examples of folks who most definitely were not using psychedelics safety. Timothy Leary is famous for his controversial experiments. Moreover, LSD and mushrooms are often conflated in discussions like this, but it should be noted that the two drugs have widely different outcomes and safe usage parameters.

tonypace 5y ago
The link itself conflates them.
crawfordcomeaux 5y ago
Also, there's this from the link: "The third possibility is the one that really intrigues me. A 2011 study found that a single dose of psilocybin could permanently increase the personality dimension of Openness To Experience. I’m emphasizing that because personality is otherwise pretty stable after adulthood; nothing should be able to do this." The fact is everything IS able to do this and it's up to the person to choose it. Most people don't. The idea that personality is a stable feature after adulthood is simply a cultural phenomena. As a person who has accidentally/intentionally constructed different identities with different voices in the head after out the mouth, it's very clear to me people's identities are incredibly malleable and most people are simply unaware/unpracticed in how to do it.
- naasking 5y ago
  > The idea that personality is a stable feature after adulthood is simply a cultural phenomena No it's not. Twin studies show that personality is largely genetically determined, ie. twins that were separated at birth and raised separately largely have the same personalities, levels of happiness and life satisfaction, and even similar jobs and spouses. People tend to overestimate environmental influences.
  - crawfordcomeaux 5y ago
    And how did the twins do when one was raised in a culture of beliefs about fixed identity/personality vs a culture of normalized self-reinvention?
    - naasking 5y ago
      Well Western cultures predominantly assume tabula rasa, and these studies largely undermined that assumption, so I think that's a sufficient answer.
      - crawfordcomeaux 5y ago
        I think there's also an assumption that because there's a genetic component, it's a fixed thing. Gene expression is controlled via the epigenome, which can be affected by trauma. Why can't it also be impacted by healing? Also, since you didn't answer the question I asked, it's not a sufficient answer. I'm not talking about tabula rasa. I'm talking about static vs dynamic personality.

tonypace 5y ago

The link itself conflates them.

crawfordcomeaux 5y ago

Also, there's this from the link: "The third possibility is the one that really intrigues me. A 2011 study found that a single dose of psilocybin could permanently increase the personality dimension of Openness To Experience. I’m emphasizing that because personality is otherwise pretty stable after adulthood; nothing should be able to do this." The fact is everything IS able to do this and it's up to the person to choose it. Most people don't. The idea that personality is a stable feature after adulthood is simply a cultural phenomena. As a person who has accidentally/intentionally constructed different identities with different voices in the head after out the mouth, it's very clear to me people's identities are incredibly malleable and most people are simply unaware/unpracticed in how to do it.

naasking 5y ago
> The idea that personality is a stable feature after adulthood is simply a cultural phenomena No it's not. Twin studies show that personality is largely genetically determined, ie. twins that were separated at birth and raised separately largely have the same personalities, levels of happiness and life satisfaction, and even similar jobs and spouses. People tend to overestimate environmental influences.
- crawfordcomeaux 5y ago
  And how did the twins do when one was raised in a culture of beliefs about fixed identity/personality vs a culture of normalized self-reinvention?
  - naasking 5y ago
    Well Western cultures predominantly assume tabula rasa, and these studies largely undermined that assumption, so I think that's a sufficient answer.
    - crawfordcomeaux 5y ago
      I think there's also an assumption that because there's a genetic component, it's a fixed thing. Gene expression is controlled via the epigenome, which can be affected by trauma. Why can't it also be impacted by healing? Also, since you didn't answer the question I asked, it's not a sufficient answer. I'm not talking about tabula rasa. I'm talking about static vs dynamic personality.