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German corporate culture is functioning without snooping around on employee's emails and chats. It's strictly forbidden by law and only allowed in very constra

by foepys 5y ago

German corporate culture is functioning without snooping around on employee's emails and chats. It's strictly forbidden by law and only allowed in very constrained circumstances when the employer has a strong suspicion ("Anfangsverdacht") that the employee is doing things they aren't allowed to. Even then the work council has to be informed and a representative has to be present to ensure no laws will be broken and privacy is preserved.

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closeparen 5y ago
US laws, regulations, and B2B contracts tend to require employee surveillance - sometimes explicitly, sometimes implicitly under risk management - as part of the firm’s duty of care to customers. The customer has given the firm his money, his data, his health, etc. The firm must try to prevent abuse, and must have a forensic trail in case it happens. In the financial industry, it is strictly forbidden by law to miss reps talking to customers from their homes, on their personal devices and accounts. Banks are in the news getting fined for this routinely.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > In the financial industry, it is strictly forbidden by law to miss reps talking to customers from their homes, on their personal devices and accounts. But they're not snooping on your personal devices at home, so this wouldn't even catch that.
  - closeparen 5y ago
    The point of the fines is banks were negligent in not snooping at home. They are now correcting their behavior and doing so.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Even banks still aren't snooping on people's personal devices at home.
BrandoElFollito 5y ago
German work councils are a nightmare for security. I had to spend time in front of them to literally beg them to let us install an EDR (and heard similar stories from others). At some point I said fuck it, we will disconnect this country and they will have problems. This helped me to understand that the work council is the last to fall with people routinely working to there, so they do not care. Also Germany of too big of a country. The net effect is that some projects do not go there anymore because of the complications. Note 1: the installation was for security reasons. They had a security problem once and I was calling the work council on daily calls (twice a day) to show them that I can be a pain on the ass as well (it was in the contract we signed with them). Calls were at 8 and 21. I hope they understood a bit why I was asking for the security measures. Note 2: I am grateful when they ( and the ones in my country) fight for employees protection. This is great to work in such a country. There is however a moment where they lose content with the reality.

by foepys 5y ago

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closeparen 5y ago

US laws, regulations, and B2B contracts tend to require employee surveillance - sometimes explicitly, sometimes implicitly under risk management - as part of the firm’s duty of care to customers. The customer has given the firm his money, his data, his health, etc. The firm must try to prevent abuse, and must have a forensic trail in case it happens. In the financial industry, it is strictly forbidden by law to miss reps talking to customers from their homes, on their personal devices and accounts. Banks are in the news getting fined for this routinely.

josephcsible 5y ago
> In the financial industry, it is strictly forbidden by law to miss reps talking to customers from their homes, on their personal devices and accounts. But they're not snooping on your personal devices at home, so this wouldn't even catch that.
- closeparen 5y ago
  The point of the fines is banks were negligent in not snooping at home. They are now correcting their behavior and doing so.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    Even banks still aren't snooping on people's personal devices at home.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago

German work councils are a nightmare for security. I had to spend time in front of them to literally beg them to let us install an EDR (and heard similar stories from others). At some point I said fuck it, we will disconnect this country and they will have problems. This helped me to understand that the work council is the last to fall with people routinely working to there, so they do not care. Also Germany of too big of a country. The net effect is that some projects do not go there anymore because of the complications. Note 1: the installation was for security reasons. They had a security problem once and I was calling the work council on daily calls (twice a day) to show them that I can be a pain on the ass as well (it was in the contract we signed with them). Calls were at 8 and 21. I hope they understood a bit why I was asking for the security measures. Note 2: I am grateful when they ( and the ones in my country) fight for employees protection. This is great to work in such a country. There is however a moment where they lose content with the reality.