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Sounds like you are from one of those cultures I referenced! To explain it in plain words: It's not acceptable because I have a human right to privacy. Yes, p
by fulafel 5y ago
Sounds like you are from one of those cultures I referenced!
To explain it in plain words: It's not acceptable because I have a human right to privacy.
Yes, privacy allows people to "hide" stuff. It's not an overriding thing. Employment relationships, like rest of our society, are largely based on trust and respect.
- Hnrobert42 5y agoYou are indeed entitled to privacy on your own equipment. Why should you be entitled to privacy on employer-owned equipment?
- okasaki 5y agoAre you entitled to privacy on employer-owned toilets?
- aroundthfur 5y agoWhat exactly do you want to say with this? Are you comparing prevention of stealing intellectual property with taking a shit?
- okasaki 5y agoNo? I'm responding to the poster implying that we're not entitled to privacy on employer-owned equipment.
- Froedlich 5y agoWhether you're entitled to it or not, you'd be foolish to expect it. The last corporate IT job I had, they expected me to use my personal cell phone for job-related tasks. No, I didn't want their malware running on my phone, nor did I want to upgrade to an expensive cellular data plan for the required connectivity. If they wanted me to have a phone for their business, they should provide one. Management and HR were quite upset. I suggested they check the state Labor Board. Shortly after, I was given a purchase authorization to buy a company phone and service.
- igetspam 5y agoIf you're worried about theft, hopefully you've disabled Bluetooth and USB because I can move a hell of a lot of data without a network device. Also, if this is a legit concern, you may have a hiring problem (or you work for .gov or on .gov contracts exclusively.)
- Hnrobert42 5y agoIt’s not just employees who leak data from corporate devices. Malware often exfiltrates data through compromised, “benign” websites.
- Hnrobert42 5y agoToilets are provided as a convenience by employers to perform entirely personal/non-business functions. A better an analogy would be a desk phone. Does the employer have the right to record phone calls if an announcement is made to all parties?
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- fulafel 5y agoThere's no reason why ownership of equipment would have a bearing on my basic rights, just like they have no effect on my enjoyment of other basic legally protected human rights.
- alecbz 5y agoI mean, one can have whatever view of rights they choose, but many rights are often considered to be contextual. E.g., in the US, you have a right to not have your picture taken indoors, but outside in public spaces you don't have this right. You have a right to do more or less whatever you want with your personal laptop, but your agreement with your employer generally implies that you should only use a work computer for work tasks.
- Froedlich 5y agoEach of the 50 states, the District of Columbia, and the various territories have different laws on that.
- Hnrobert42 5y agoLet’s say I am a farmer who owns a tractor. I provide it to you to work my land. I request that you not use it on your adjacent farm. You agree. Do I have the right to watch where you drive it? I am not trying to trap you. I am genuinely trying to figure out where the lines are.
- oasisbob 5y agoFor the same reason I'd expect privacy in an employer-owned bathroom.
- Hnrobert42 5y agoInteresting. That is a fair point. What if your employer provided you a laptop with two user accounts - one for work and one for personal business?
- blowfish721 5y agoSimply don’t use your company owned computer for personal stuff, period. I’ve worked in 1st line support and had my share of people calling in asking for help to erase their browsing history from porn urls. But the bottom line is, do you really want to be the one compromising the company you work for by visiting non-work related things? At least that’s the biggest reason for me to keep my work and private computers separate. Edit: I just want to add that I however wouldn’t agree with or work for a company that monitors my work computer to make sure I’m always ”working” (taking screenshots, tracking mouse and keyboard etc).
- ozim 5y agoWell take another example, you have human right to wear what you want like for example a swimsuit all day long. Somehow most people understand that swimsuit is appropriate on the beach and on the swimming pool and not in the office.