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> Apartment doors, walls and floors can withstand many hours of continuous burn. 24 stories of Grenfell were engulfed in an hour - the fire bypassed the doors,
by chrisseaton 5y ago
> Apartment doors, walls and floors can withstand many hours of continuous burn.
24 stories of Grenfell were engulfed in an hour - the fire bypassed the doors, walls and floors, by going up the outside.
> The building would never be on fire
The entire building was on fire. 72 people died.
> The problem with Grenfell was that building regulations had been violated, at which point, all bets about safety are off.
Mistakes get made. Hence redundancy, like two staircases. If you're going to design for 'no mistakes ever made' then don't bother with any fire systems as a fire is a mistake in the first place.
- pas 5y agoThe correct approach is to design for the biggest common mistakes, not for all mistakes ever. We already do this for floods, earthquakes, wind load, etc.
- chrisseaton 5y agoThis cladding was common. They’re still trying to remove it from buildings now.
- pas 5y agoTrying. Because the UK government absolutely does not give even a single fuck. Housing is a shitshow everywhere. (A symptom of completely bonkers politics in general.)
- sofixa 5y ago> 24 stories of Grenfell were engulfed in an hour - the fire bypassed the doors, walls and floors, by going up the outside Because the exterior was flammable, which isn't the norm and is actually criminal.
- chrisseaton 5y ago> is actually criminal So is arson. Newsflash: sometimes people do criminal things. But we try to design to cope with it rather than just saying ‘but they aren’t allowed to start that fire so no need to guard against it.’ And it turned out it was the norm, hence the huge panic to fix it in so many buildings.
- pessimizer 5y agoIt's so not criminal that plenty of hi-rises in the UK still have flammable cladding. If it were criminal, the people who put it on there would be in prison.