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And thereby shaming those who escaped menial and gig jobs through education and hard work. This is horrifying. The glorification of menial work and making sure

And thereby shaming those who escaped menial and gig jobs through education and hard work. This is horrifying. The glorification of menial work and making sure ‘everyone experiences’ it is a new sort of first world hell. We should work towards getting rid of all menial and manual jobs. Not normalize it and perpetuate. America is laughing stock to the rest of the developing world where they work hard to escape poverty and menial jobs. Goodbye, America. If someone had ever wanted to destroy America and a grand plan was in motion…they have succeeded. I am truly horrified by what this country has become…companies like door dash are betting on an never ending supply of low wage menial workers instead of pivoting into automating and modernizing food delivery..and more importantly what is needed is training and educating people acc to their skills and abilities that aren’t for jobs that a mindless drone can do. This nonsense here is some kind of sick grooming and virtue signaling horror story script for an already dying capitalist country. Why not start delivering sustainable pony carts instead of cars next? Philanthropic? A company’s job is to make profit. An individual’s job is to create a better society. Almost every immigrant I know who has come to this country will be laughing. Menial jobs ARE beneath ANY human being. Educate your population instead to make sure there are no more menial jobs. Every problem has its solution in smart infrastructure and small sustainable cities. We are trying to live in the 80s in 2022 with 21st century tech and tools. Most of the startups are seeded with ideas that are reminiscent of the 80s when I was child in India. This country is moving backwards due to nostalgic immigrants in powerful places. Please stop celebrating this. It’s just awful in so many ways.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago
P.S: not to mention how insulting this is to the actual delivery and service people who are STILL paid low wages and have to do it day after day after day after day...and now entitled tech bros can claim that they have experienced the same conditions while drawing ‘poverty wages’ of 250k/month. Whoever thought of this must be super perverted. It’s like everyone lets mom sleep in on mothers’ day to make breakfast in bed for ONE day and leave behind a mess and an overworked mom for the rest of the year…while feeling virtuous and glowy for one single day. Sounds familiar? I would wager..not?
Melting_Harps 5y ago
> Please stop celebrating this. It’s just awful in so many ways. I tend to agree, we have a very clear divide between Social Strata (that if left unchecked can resemble your caste system) that has only gotten deeper in the 21st Century: what once relied on cheap, migrant labor in the 20th century has now been imposed on to the domestic debt-laden labor force due to COVID travel restrictions, which leads to the grind and 'exploitation' of a once middle class society experiencing the economic fallout from COVID largess and consolidation of Marketshare. Many of who went to college with promises of being able to work in their desired Industry, carry lots of debt, and are forced to work a combination of retail and gig jobs to make ends--it's a large part of what has led to the antiwork/layng down movement in both US and China. And to be honest, I don't blame them. But to you point on automation. I recently went back to school for AI and ML after leaving a career in fintech and we had a recent hackathon over Xmas that included robotics: I think automation, in logistics specifically, can currently only do so much reliably without incurring immense expenses and delays while trying to survive in an already broken model; it's the law of diminishing returns where Human capital has only recently had it's wages re-evaluated as a vital role in the equation to ease the labor shortage in certain Industries but the tech be it software/hardware/battery is simply not there yet to completely replace all of these 'menial jobs' overnight. I also take issue with the implied notion that some of Society's most valuable workers are often deemed 'menial' by the educated intelligentsia in high ranking positions you say are ruining things. Especially with a guy with the handle that implies he farms; which is an immensely vital role (former Biodynamic farmer myself), but filled with a great deal of toil and back breaking labour only suited for 'uneducated folk' in the rural part of the World--when that is completely untrue.
- jelliclesfarm 5y ago
  I don’t know what you understand about the caste system, but it is entirely unnecessary to bring it up here. There is no ‘caste system’ in the 21st century. There may be human beings who are also bigots, but we can’t keep beckoning the colonial construct of ‘caste’ which was derived from the Portuguese word ‘casta’. I can’t support menial jobs in any form. They need to be made extinct. Not coddled and protected. If you believed what you wrote, you’d still be a biodynamic farmer and not into AI/ML. Reasonable people should stop posturing and virtue signaling. Edited to add: So let’s do difficult tech things, automate menial jobs and pay more for food. Nothing..like..literally nothing is achieved with this ‘dash of shame’ disguised as ‘training’. This is some form of diluted American SV version of communist china’s Struggle Session. We should stop humiliating and shaming successful, intelligent and productive individuals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session ETA: how you show appreciation for the most ‘valued worker’ is to pay them more. (It’s like the problem of the homeless..the only solution to eliminate homelessness is to provide homes. A home. Not homes in expensive zip code or needle exchange or blah blah blah..but provide shelter called ‘a home’.)Door dash can easily do this instead of this ridiculous song and dance. Oh wait..except if it’s a shitty business model and they can’t really milk any profits..and are just buying time and PR.
Dma54rhs 5y ago
Sounds like a you empathy towards people who actually do manual labour from food delivery to construction. You need way more than once a month experience and good look at the mirror, it's total bourgeois bs on display.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago

P.S: not to mention how insulting this is to the actual delivery and service people who are STILL paid low wages and have to do it day after day after day after day...and now entitled tech bros can claim that they have experienced the same conditions while drawing ‘poverty wages’ of 250k/month. Whoever thought of this must be super perverted. It’s like everyone lets mom sleep in on mothers’ day to make breakfast in bed for ONE day and leave behind a mess and an overworked mom for the rest of the year…while feeling virtuous and glowy for one single day. Sounds familiar? I would wager..not?

Melting_Harps 5y ago

> Please stop celebrating this. It’s just awful in so many ways. I tend to agree, we have a very clear divide between Social Strata (that if left unchecked can resemble your caste system) that has only gotten deeper in the 21st Century: what once relied on cheap, migrant labor in the 20th century has now been imposed on to the domestic debt-laden labor force due to COVID travel restrictions, which leads to the grind and 'exploitation' of a once middle class society experiencing the economic fallout from COVID largess and consolidation of Marketshare. Many of who went to college with promises of being able to work in their desired Industry, carry lots of debt, and are forced to work a combination of retail and gig jobs to make ends--it's a large part of what has led to the antiwork/layng down movement in both US and China. And to be honest, I don't blame them. But to you point on automation. I recently went back to school for AI and ML after leaving a career in fintech and we had a recent hackathon over Xmas that included robotics: I think automation, in logistics specifically, can currently only do so much reliably without incurring immense expenses and delays while trying to survive in an already broken model; it's the law of diminishing returns where Human capital has only recently had it's wages re-evaluated as a vital role in the equation to ease the labor shortage in certain Industries but the tech be it software/hardware/battery is simply not there yet to completely replace all of these 'menial jobs' overnight. I also take issue with the implied notion that some of Society's most valuable workers are often deemed 'menial' by the educated intelligentsia in high ranking positions you say are ruining things. Especially with a guy with the handle that implies he farms; which is an immensely vital role (former Biodynamic farmer myself), but filled with a great deal of toil and back breaking labour only suited for 'uneducated folk' in the rural part of the World--when that is completely untrue.

jelliclesfarm 5y ago
I don’t know what you understand about the caste system, but it is entirely unnecessary to bring it up here. There is no ‘caste system’ in the 21st century. There may be human beings who are also bigots, but we can’t keep beckoning the colonial construct of ‘caste’ which was derived from the Portuguese word ‘casta’. I can’t support menial jobs in any form. They need to be made extinct. Not coddled and protected. If you believed what you wrote, you’d still be a biodynamic farmer and not into AI/ML. Reasonable people should stop posturing and virtue signaling. Edited to add: So let’s do difficult tech things, automate menial jobs and pay more for food. Nothing..like..literally nothing is achieved with this ‘dash of shame’ disguised as ‘training’. This is some form of diluted American SV version of communist china’s Struggle Session. We should stop humiliating and shaming successful, intelligent and productive individuals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struggle_session ETA: how you show appreciation for the most ‘valued worker’ is to pay them more. (It’s like the problem of the homeless..the only solution to eliminate homelessness is to provide homes. A home. Not homes in expensive zip code or needle exchange or blah blah blah..but provide shelter called ‘a home’.)Door dash can easily do this instead of this ridiculous song and dance. Oh wait..except if it’s a shitty business model and they can’t really milk any profits..and are just buying time and PR.

Dma54rhs 5y ago

Sounds like a you empathy towards people who actually do manual labour from food delivery to construction. You need way more than once a month experience and good look at the mirror, it's total bourgeois bs on display.