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I've found that having emotional empathy (rather than logical empathy) isn't productive, or efficient. I have ADHD, and I've worked with people with ADHD. Havi
by throwaway2331 5y ago
I've found that having emotional empathy (rather than logical empathy) isn't productive, or efficient.
I have ADHD, and I've worked with people with ADHD. Having emotional empathy for their situations and what they're going through just led me to burnout. Having logical empathy spared me from myself, and cut through most of the bullshit (e.g. drawing the line between what is caused by the illness vs. what is just personality/personal choices).
I think the two most effective lines of thought in this area have been:
1). Are they genuinely interested and motivated (ha! More accurately: "open to") succeeding?
Many times, when you have an illness you can get into self-defeating and self-sabotaging mindsets and habits. There's nothing you can do in this area if they're not "open to" success. If they're not, then that's something they'll have to figure out on their own (and perhaps with a psychologist).
2). If they are genuinely "open to" succeeding: what do they need to succeed?
The major facet of my ADHD is very dogshit executive function. I cannot make complex and linear plans in my head. I cannot hold a rough "map" of what I need to do, order it in importance and what logical steps I need to take, and execute on it. I cannot mentally "keep it together." It's just impossible. I don't have the mental facility -- the same way blind people can't see.
But, that means I've had to figure out how to get around it. Primarily, I've had to structure my environment so that I'm always "on rails." I have everything jotted down, and within my eyesight (if it's in a digital planner/calendar, in some file or app I have to open, I will never open it). I have a routine that lets me do everything I need to do, without ever having to think about it. I have a job that doesn't force me into a "one size fits all" structure. I have flexibility and autonomy on how I approach a task. As long as I get the work done that's needed to be done, I'm allowed to do it however I want.
I think that's a massive hurdle in "accommodating" ADHD: everyone's ADHD manifests differently, and there's no "guide book" on how to accommodate ADHD. The only thing there is is people with ADHD figuring out what they need in order to be successful, communicating that to the people they work with, and then those people listening, and making a good faith effort in doing what's needed.
Otherwise, there's really nothing to be done. It's up to each individual with ADHD to figure out what environment works best for them (as daunting and improbable a task it may seem) -- and getting the people they interact with to, reasonably, not impede on that environment.
- ineedasername 5y agoCan you clarify the difference between logical & emotional empathy? I haven't heard that distinction before and it's always interesting to parse out the nuances of human thought & feelings.
- jkhdigital 5y agoNot the OP, and I’m not sure if there really is such a distinction, but what I think they were getting at is that “practicing empathy” is often (mis)interpreted as simulating the emotional response that the other is having, and then allowing that emotion to affect your decision-making. The real purpose of empathy is not to inject emotions into every decision and action, but rather to just ensure one doesn’t carelessly trample on others’ emotions.
- jkhdigital 5y agoYour advice resembles one of the “tips” from the article: > Finding a job where most of your work is stimulating to you. In my experience this is 95% of the “accommodation”. I suspect many adults with ADHD are misdiagnosed with depression precisely because working a job that is insufficiently interesting will cause so many constant performance issues that anyone would assume they are doomed to failure in life.
- Swizec 5y ago> I suspect many adults with ADHD are misdiagnosed with depression precisely because working a job that is insufficiently interesting This is the part of adhd I never understand. Being bored of a boring job isn’t a pathology or a disorder, it’s normal. Why do we expect everyone to always be excited by and super into every little part of their job? And if they’re not, they must have adhd? Seems weird
- steveklabnik 5y agoADHD is not defined by a lack of love of your job.