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Can you post some data backing up that assertion? Neither you nor the article have posted any studies and I'm genuinely curious about it.

by lagadu 5y ago

PebblesRox 5y ago
This page makes a claim and has links to sources at the bottom: “International Fire Death Rate statistics show no correlation between the allowable building height for residential buildings with a single egress stair and fatality rates. The U.S. NFPA attributes the worldwide trend in decreased fatality rates between 1979 and 2007 to improved in firefighting capacities, stringent regulation of combustible materials in construction and increased requirements for modern fire safety measures like sprinklering and automatic fire alarm systems.” https://secondegress.ca/Jurisdictions-1 https://secondegress.ca/Jurisdictions-1
- pipeline_peak 5y ago
  Fatality rates sure, but what about injuries? People getting trampled over, falling downstairs.
  - Sharlin 5y ago
    Anecdotal, but I've never heard of an apartment building fire where people get trampled trying to escape. This in Europe where many if not most countries do not mandate a second escape route for midrise buildings. It's simply not a problem. You're supposed to shelter in your apartment anyway, which almost always is much safer than the hallway in case of a fire.
    - pipeline_peak 5y ago
      “ Overcrowding during emergency evacuation can cause crowd stampede and trampling that will lead to serious injuries or fatalities. ” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960077919304576 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09600...
      - Sharlin 5y ago
        Yes, but that is about large crowded events specifically, where the crowds can be tens to hundreds of times larger than the number of residents in a midrise, and remaining in a specifically constructed fire-and-smoke-resistant shelter (one’s home) is not an alternative.

Can you post some data backing up that assertion? Neither you nor the article have posted any studies and I'm genuinely curious about it.

by lagadu 5y ago

Can you post some data backing up that assertion? Neither you nor the article have posted any studies and I'm genuinely curious about it.

PebblesRox 5y ago

This page makes a claim and has links to sources at the bottom: “International Fire Death Rate statistics show no correlation between the allowable building height for residential buildings with a single egress stair and fatality rates. The U.S. NFPA attributes the worldwide trend in decreased fatality rates between 1979 and 2007 to improved in firefighting capacities, stringent regulation of combustible materials in construction and increased requirements for modern fire safety measures like sprinklering and automatic fire alarm systems.” https://secondegress.ca/Jurisdictions-1 https://secondegress.ca/Jurisdictions-1

pipeline_peak 5y ago
Fatality rates sure, but what about injuries? People getting trampled over, falling downstairs.
- Sharlin 5y ago
  Anecdotal, but I've never heard of an apartment building fire where people get trampled trying to escape. This in Europe where many if not most countries do not mandate a second escape route for midrise buildings. It's simply not a problem. You're supposed to shelter in your apartment anyway, which almost always is much safer than the hallway in case of a fire.
  - pipeline_peak 5y ago
    “ Overcrowding during emergency evacuation can cause crowd stampede and trampling that will lead to serious injuries or fatalities. ” https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960077919304576 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S09600...
    - Sharlin 5y ago
      Yes, but that is about large crowded events specifically, where the crowds can be tens to hundreds of times larger than the number of residents in a midrise, and remaining in a specifically constructed fire-and-smoke-resistant shelter (one’s home) is not an alternative.