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It is recommended to use the currently bundled JBR version (JDK 11). Although later versions are available for testing, they are less stable as the author of th

It is recommended to use the currently bundled JBR version (JDK 11). Although later versions are available for testing, they are less stable as the author of this blog post mentions at the end.

gjvc 5y ago
JetBrains' attitude to this has been horrendous. Try running their products on a more recent JVM. They are actually usable and don't leave you feeling like you've been thinking in molasses. Ironic for a company called "jet" brains. They (JetBrains) have been actively fucking a portion of their (one would think, technically savvy) customers by not giving them the most responsive system they can to run, then acting all paternalistic and gaslighty by saying "oh we don't recommend you use anything other than the one we ship." [1] when people complain. Listen, JetBrains: I have wasted enough time (while my thoughts race ahead trying to work on my projects) sat on my phatass 64Gb NVMe-equipped Xeon, nvidia (native driver) Debian workstation waiting for pycharm et al to mooch along like at a stately pace redrawing the screen like it's a 1994 486 with an HDD. In the end my thoughts stopped racing and I began to think, yeah, well, I just gotta endure it... and then asking myself if I'm alone in this particular slow-motion hell-hole or is the world really like this?! Once I had got to the bottom of it (notes here https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-run-faster/ https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r...) I _instantly_ began to regain the feeling of fluidity of thought in my work. It was the biggest single productivity gain I've made in the past year, and I have had zero stability problems. Some debugging features are not available, but I haven't missed them. At this point JetBrains would do well to take a leaf out of Apple's playbook from 2009 when they shipped the Snow Leopard release (Yes I am one of those that thinks that Snow Leopard was the best release of Mac OS X...) which concentrated solely on quality and speed, and no new features. [2] Thank you for your attention. Merry Christmas ;-) [1] a fact which gets parroted around various fora without any understanding of the problem because "it works on their computer" It seems that much of the improvements are for the benefit of MacOS X users, while the policy of sticking with a version 11 JDK is to the detriment of users on other platforms. [2] quality and speed are features, too!
- threeseed 5y ago
  Not sure what your problem with them is. JetBrains is simply trying to provide a stable development platform. And since it took me about about a minute to switch to JDK17 it's not like they are going out of their way to make it difficult.
  - gjvc 5y ago
    Not sure what your problem with them is. I explained it in full above. And since it took me about about a minute to switch to JDK17 it's not like they are going out of their way to make it difficult. When you restarted in JDK17 you didn't get any access errors? What app, OS, and JDK vendor is this?
    - ta988 5y ago
      If you look in the post, they explain what flag they use to avoid those access issues.
- bmc7505 5y ago
  I am sorry to hear about your productivity issues. I also experienced some slowness in recent builds, although I think our issues are not directly related, since I primarily use IntelliJ IDEA and not PyCharm. Following a recent issue I encountered on JDK 17, I was also advised to downgrade to JDK 11. [1] I think maybe they are waiting until JDK 17 is more stable for release, but anecdotally speaking, JDK 17 runs pretty well for me on osx-aarch64, save for a few minor hiccups. If the issue you are experiencing is a persistent one, you might also consider reporting a performance problem [2]. I've heard good things about JetBrains Fleet. [3] Although it has not yet been released, it seems to have many of the same features as the full IDEs and is more responsive in the editor department. Anyhow, I hope your experience improves and you have a Merry Christmas as well! [1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-278926#focus=Comments-27-5561012.0-0 https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-278926#focus=Comme... [2]: https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/207241235-Reporting-performance-problems https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/207... [3]: https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/ https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/

It is recommended to use the currently bundled JBR version (JDK 11). Although later versions are available for testing, they are less stable as the author of this blog post mentions at the end.

gjvc 5y ago

JetBrains' attitude to this has been horrendous. Try running their products on a more recent JVM. They are actually usable and don't leave you feeling like you've been thinking in molasses. Ironic for a company called "jet" brains. They (JetBrains) have been actively fucking a portion of their (one would think, technically savvy) customers by not giving them the most responsive system they can to run, then acting all paternalistic and gaslighty by saying "oh we don't recommend you use anything other than the one we ship." [1] when people complain. Listen, JetBrains: I have wasted enough time (while my thoughts race ahead trying to work on my projects) sat on my phatass 64Gb NVMe-equipped Xeon, nvidia (native driver) Debian workstation waiting for pycharm et al to mooch along like at a stately pace redrawing the screen like it's a 1994 486 with an HDD. In the end my thoughts stopped racing and I began to think, yeah, well, I just gotta endure it... and then asking myself if I'm alone in this particular slow-motion hell-hole or is the world really like this?! Once I had got to the bottom of it (notes here https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-run-faster/ https://iam.georgecox.com/2021/11/24/making-jetbrains-ides-r...) I _instantly_ began to regain the feeling of fluidity of thought in my work. It was the biggest single productivity gain I've made in the past year, and I have had zero stability problems. Some debugging features are not available, but I haven't missed them. At this point JetBrains would do well to take a leaf out of Apple's playbook from 2009 when they shipped the Snow Leopard release (Yes I am one of those that thinks that Snow Leopard was the best release of Mac OS X...) which concentrated solely on quality and speed, and no new features. [2] Thank you for your attention. Merry Christmas ;-) [1] a fact which gets parroted around various fora without any understanding of the problem because "it works on their computer" It seems that much of the improvements are for the benefit of MacOS X users, while the policy of sticking with a version 11 JDK is to the detriment of users on other platforms. [2] quality and speed are features, too!

threeseed 5y ago
Not sure what your problem with them is. JetBrains is simply trying to provide a stable development platform. And since it took me about about a minute to switch to JDK17 it's not like they are going out of their way to make it difficult.
- gjvc 5y ago
  Not sure what your problem with them is. I explained it in full above. And since it took me about about a minute to switch to JDK17 it's not like they are going out of their way to make it difficult. When you restarted in JDK17 you didn't get any access errors? What app, OS, and JDK vendor is this?
  - ta988 5y ago
    If you look in the post, they explain what flag they use to avoid those access issues.
bmc7505 5y ago
I am sorry to hear about your productivity issues. I also experienced some slowness in recent builds, although I think our issues are not directly related, since I primarily use IntelliJ IDEA and not PyCharm. Following a recent issue I encountered on JDK 17, I was also advised to downgrade to JDK 11. [1] I think maybe they are waiting until JDK 17 is more stable for release, but anecdotally speaking, JDK 17 runs pretty well for me on osx-aarch64, save for a few minor hiccups. If the issue you are experiencing is a persistent one, you might also consider reporting a performance problem [2]. I've heard good things about JetBrains Fleet. [3] Although it has not yet been released, it seems to have many of the same features as the full IDEs and is more responsive in the editor department. Anyhow, I hope your experience improves and you have a Merry Christmas as well! [1] https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-278926#focus=Comments-27-5561012.0-0 https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/IDEA-278926#focus=Comme... [2]: https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/207241235-Reporting-performance-problems https://intellij-support.jetbrains.com/hc/en-us/articles/207... [3]: https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/ https://www.jetbrains.com/fleet/