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From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-

From examining Swedish death spike data, you can see that viruses like COVID occur about once a decade, the last being Swine Flu in 2009: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-deaths-1851.jpg https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... Its just that, using Swedish data again, Western societies are significantly more aged: eg. there 120,000 80-84 year old men (prime COVID death territory) in 2020, vs only 101,000 in 2009. Its similar in many other Western countries: about 20% more elderly people, in absolute numbers. As such, the 'same' types of respiratory viruses will simply kill more people. The decisions is thus a social and political one: do we lockdown and force 6-monthly vaccinations on everyone, based on elderly deaths that will occur anyway simply due to the baby boomer cohort entering their twilight years? I think we need to just get more efficient at end-of-life care, focusing on simpler treatments and comfort, as well as euthanasia-on-demand for anyone over age 75.

zaat 5y ago
I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.
- Reichhardt 5y ago
  - zaat 5y ago
    I'm afraid you have no more relevant knowledge in the subject then I do, which means your claims shouldn't be considered as an authoritative in any way, despite being stated as such. I'm out of here.
    - Reichhardt 5y ago
      "U.S. COVID-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass 2020 Total" https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-202...
- novok 5y ago
  IMO casual masking (stores, airplanes, etc) and a shot every 6 months isn't the annoying part about covid, it's the economic damage of lockdowns, school closures, social gatherings missed, extreme isolation of the vulnerable, travel not happening and the supply chain logjams it has been creating everywhere as a result. You can't go to an office consistently and have face to face lunches coworkers with as a result.
- xyzzyz 5y ago
  I agree. However, the currently existing vaccines don’t seem to do anything at all to stop the spread, so your biannual vaccination does not help grandma much.
  - Imnimo 5y ago
    How are you estimating what the spread would have been in the absence of vaccination to draw that conclusion?
- EB-Barrington 5y ago
  "Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky
- logifail 5y ago
  It would seem fairly important to actually ask the grandmas what they think about this, rather than decide on their behalf. The four elderly members of our immediate family are all fairly adamant that the young have suffered enough, and "hell, yes" they want to see their grandkids, and no, they aren't asking about vaccinations and negative tests. I'm minded to respect their opinions.
  - ifdefdebug 5y ago
    Yes, and we don't ask them either if they'd feel better if we took them, we just do it for them, it's understood.

zaat 5y ago

I think taking a shot every six month is totally worth it if that will let your grandma live two years longer.

Reichhardt 5y ago
- zaat 5y ago
  I'm afraid you have no more relevant knowledge in the subject then I do, which means your claims shouldn't be considered as an authoritative in any way, despite being stated as such. I'm out of here.
  - Reichhardt 5y ago
    "U.S. COVID-19 Deaths in 2021 Surpass 2020 Total" https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-2021-surpass-2020-total https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20211122/us-covid-deaths-202...
novok 5y ago
IMO casual masking (stores, airplanes, etc) and a shot every 6 months isn't the annoying part about covid, it's the economic damage of lockdowns, school closures, social gatherings missed, extreme isolation of the vulnerable, travel not happening and the supply chain logjams it has been creating everywhere as a result. You can't go to an office consistently and have face to face lunches coworkers with as a result.
xyzzyz 5y ago
I agree. However, the currently existing vaccines don’t seem to do anything at all to stop the spread, so your biannual vaccination does not help grandma much.
- Imnimo 5y ago
  How are you estimating what the spread would have been in the absence of vaccination to draw that conclusion?
EB-Barrington 5y ago
"Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death - they prevent it, but what they can't do anymore is prevent transmission." CDC Director Rochelle Walensky
logifail 5y ago
It would seem fairly important to actually ask the grandmas what they think about this, rather than decide on their behalf. The four elderly members of our immediate family are all fairly adamant that the young have suffered enough, and "hell, yes" they want to see their grandkids, and no, they aren't asking about vaccinations and negative tests. I'm minded to respect their opinions.
- ifdefdebug 5y ago
  Yes, and we don't ask them either if they'd feel better if we took them, we just do it for them, it's understood.