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Children have nearly no risk of complications with covid vs. quite a large risk with the vaccine.

• epgui 5y ago
  This is unequivocally incorrect.
  • chana_masala 5y ago
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-twice-as https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...
    • jacquesm 5y ago
      That is a substantial misinterpretation of the data.
      • chana_masala 5y ago
        Who wants to win a million dollars? The author has a $1 million dollar offer to debate him and prove him wrong.
        • jacquesm 5y ago
          Let's see the escrow first. Seriously though, VAERS is not meant to be used in this way. Let me try to describe how I understand the mechanism, I'm sure there are people on HN that would be more than happy to correct me if anything is out of whack: - VAERS allows for the reporting of suspected side effects - this information is then made available again to ensure transparency - the suspicion of a side effect is not the same as an actual side effect - an example: you get vaccinated. The next day you die of a heart attack. An entry into VAERS is made. There is now a job lined up to figure out of you actually died of a heart attack due to your vaccination or if you were going to have that heart attack anyway, in so far as this is possible. - if it is determined that you were at substantially elevated risk of a heart attack then it is likely that there will be no further action - If a strong link is found between the vaccination and the heart attack the case is flagged for a much more thorough review. Possibly an autopsy will be ordered or any number of other investigations to get to the bottom of it, assuming that the case is out of the ordinary enough - finally a determination is made: either there is a link, or there isn't, and if there is then the various risk factors are adjusted. - If a similar link is established in other cases reported through VAERS or even through similar mechanisms in other countries then this can result in a warning, a change in administration (dose, frequency, certain groups within the population) or in an extreme case the vaccine can be taken off the market altogether if the risk to the population is deemed to be too high to continue the vaccinations. This translates into: the net effect of continued administration of this vaccine is worse than the alternatives (or possibly even worse than the disease) Within that context the debate is pointless: VAERS is not intended to settle arguments, it is intended to gather possibly useful data.
          • chana_masala 5y ago
            > Within that context the debate is pointless: VAERS is not intended to settle arguments, it is intended to gather possibly useful data. Sounds like you've got this one in the bag, then!
            • jacquesm 5y ago
              I will bow out here, if you don't mind.
              • chana_masala 5y ago
                No, I don't mind at all.
            • jbd28 5y ago
              Enjoy the silo you’ve dropped yourself in
              • chana_masala 5y ago
                Thank you, it's quite nice here.
• tomwojcik 5y ago
  Without a reputable source for these claims you're just spreading misinformation.
  • chana_masala 5y ago
    I'm pretty baffled by this reply. It used to be (last year?) common knowledge that children were largely unaffected by covid. I guess the vaccine rollout has changed people's minds, but it hasn't changed the data. https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-twice-as https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...
    • rtsil 5y ago
      > children were largely unaffected by covid The issue is not with that, it's with your second claim re: large risk with the vaccine. That's the claim that needs to be substantiated.
      • chana_masala 5y ago
        It's substantiated in the link...
• oezi 5y ago
  Among all infectious diseases children are facing Covid is one of the most severe. The worst side effect of the vaccine (myocarditis in young males) has been eliminated with better dosing protocols.
  • chana_masala 5y ago
    https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-twice-as https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/weve-now-killed-close-to-...
    • oezi 5y ago
      There was an excellent refutation of using Adverse Events Reports for anything but safety signalling. The author of the linked substack could have uploaded the death reports himself. And he didn't even think about comparing his numbers to expected numbers. So, no: children don't die from the vaccine.
      • chana_masala 5y ago
        The author has a $1 million dollar offer to debate him and prove him wrong.
        • oezi 5y ago
          Sounds like he is part of the anti-vax bullshit industry. Question is why you are regurgitating it? Do you believe any of it?
          • chana_masala 5y ago
            ...industry?
        • jbd28 5y ago
          Oh wow, never mind it’s settled truth then /s