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> "With their lives, blood and tears, the young people in Hong Kong have demonstrated for us that one country, two systems is not feasible," Tsai said. The sag

> "With their lives, blood and tears, the young people in Hong Kong have demonstrated for us that one country, two systems is not feasible," Tsai said. The saga of Hong Kong is so sad. They didn't take their freedom for granted, they struggled mightily, but ultimately they have been crushed. The lesson for Taiwan could not be more stark. I can see why Tsai said this, and why she has received such support from the Taiwanese people in response. It is hard to stand up to the CCP. If an individual with Chinese ties did so on a forum such as HN, doubtless they would be reported by omnipresent loyalists monitoring these exchanges, just as the students were at various US universities. https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china-cracks-down-on-students-who-speak-out https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china...

ssss11 5y ago
Not just US universities - those stories have been widely reported in Australia too. I’d expect it’s happening everywhere…
- mmerlin 5y ago
  Add the large numbers of Left and Right politicians (both Labour and Liberal) happy to sell their soul and lawmaking abilities for corrupt bags of dirty money from Chinese Communist Party / Mining / Gambling / Property Developers. Vote all these old geezers out! The major political parties in Australia are by and large a cesspit of spineless sellouts. Vote for the smaller independent parties, especially those with younger candidates. Drew Pavlou's party for example (with some Uyghur-Australians). https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/drew-pavlou-democratic-alliance-political-party-uyghur-hong-kong/100700918 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/drew-pavlou-democrati... Donate funds to these truth seekers if you can...
ngcc_hk 5y ago
The game is asymmetric. Hongkonger cannot fight back with all guns with chinese hands. Look at many countries and firms (say intel lately), Taiwan is still in danger as we are not sure any real consequences once the Dist settled down. And how many insiders are there. In Taiwan. Just … we can hope in a not so hopeful scenario.
dirtyid 5y ago
>two systems is not feasible Too early to tell. The point of PRC subsuming HK now is have ample time to cultivate new generations of HKers sympathetic to One Country before 2049 as exemplar for One Country Two Systems. The previous generation under UK education was always going to be tainted. Identity politics today is not going to be the same as that generations from now. The countercurrent is Tsai trying to manifest a strong, independant TW identity. The cultural clash will be in 20 years when those TWers look at HKers who will remain privileged and prosperous, but with a democratic facade - basically Singaporeans - and wonder if that life is better than war once the current charade that US can defend TW collapses. And more significantly, once PRC develops military capabilities to stalemate US both MAD and conventionally. Even then PRC will probably have to concede with some sort of satrap / vassal status. 1C2S doesn't have to be "feasible", it just has to be unambiguously better than the alternative, which is a matter of eroding US deterrence.
- mmerlin 5y ago
  The only Hong Kongers who will remain prosperous in 20 years are the sycophants who embrace this new fear-based system imposed upon them by a genocidal regime. They can never speak out against their unwanted political overlords or end up like the incarcerated opposition politicians, journalists, lawyers, students, doctors, etc Basically anyone who want to voice their own truth under their own free will ends up jailed and maybe tortured until they recant their true feelings and become another crushed spirit. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/hong-kong-tycoon-jimmy-lai-sentenced-to-13-months/13676244 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/hong-kong-tycoon-jimm... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/hong-kong-detains-pro-democracy-activists/13201636 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/hong-kong-detains-pro...
- rectang 5y ago
  If there are "two systems" in the future, they will both be repressive — transforming "two systems" into a rotten shell, a sickening corruption of the original ideal of preserving the freedom of the people to choose their own government.

ssss11 5y ago

Not just US universities - those stories have been widely reported in Australia too. I’d expect it’s happening everywhere…

mmerlin 5y ago
Add the large numbers of Left and Right politicians (both Labour and Liberal) happy to sell their soul and lawmaking abilities for corrupt bags of dirty money from Chinese Communist Party / Mining / Gambling / Property Developers. Vote all these old geezers out! The major political parties in Australia are by and large a cesspit of spineless sellouts. Vote for the smaller independent parties, especially those with younger candidates. Drew Pavlou's party for example (with some Uyghur-Australians). https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/drew-pavlou-democratic-alliance-political-party-uyghur-hong-kong/100700918 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-15/drew-pavlou-democrati... Donate funds to these truth seekers if you can...

ngcc_hk 5y ago

The game is asymmetric. Hongkonger cannot fight back with all guns with chinese hands. Look at many countries and firms (say intel lately), Taiwan is still in danger as we are not sure any real consequences once the Dist settled down. And how many insiders are there. In Taiwan. Just … we can hope in a not so hopeful scenario.

dirtyid 5y ago

>two systems is not feasible Too early to tell. The point of PRC subsuming HK now is have ample time to cultivate new generations of HKers sympathetic to One Country before 2049 as exemplar for One Country Two Systems. The previous generation under UK education was always going to be tainted. Identity politics today is not going to be the same as that generations from now. The countercurrent is Tsai trying to manifest a strong, independant TW identity. The cultural clash will be in 20 years when those TWers look at HKers who will remain privileged and prosperous, but with a democratic facade - basically Singaporeans - and wonder if that life is better than war once the current charade that US can defend TW collapses. And more significantly, once PRC develops military capabilities to stalemate US both MAD and conventionally. Even then PRC will probably have to concede with some sort of satrap / vassal status. 1C2S doesn't have to be "feasible", it just has to be unambiguously better than the alternative, which is a matter of eroding US deterrence.

mmerlin 5y ago
The only Hong Kongers who will remain prosperous in 20 years are the sycophants who embrace this new fear-based system imposed upon them by a genocidal regime. They can never speak out against their unwanted political overlords or end up like the incarcerated opposition politicians, journalists, lawyers, students, doctors, etc Basically anyone who want to voice their own truth under their own free will ends up jailed and maybe tortured until they recant their true feelings and become another crushed spirit. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/hong-kong-tycoon-jimmy-lai-sentenced-to-13-months/13676244 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-14/hong-kong-tycoon-jimm... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/hong-kong-detains-pro-democracy-activists/13201636 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-28/hong-kong-detains-pro...
rectang 5y ago
If there are "two systems" in the future, they will both be repressive — transforming "two systems" into a rotten shell, a sickening corruption of the original ideal of preserving the freedom of the people to choose their own government.