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So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, Taiwan and mainland is one nation. So there is no such concept of Taiwan airspace per interna

So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, Taiwan and mainland is one nation. So there is no such concept of Taiwan airspace per international law. And, the so-called incursion is to Taiwan's air defence identification zone. That zone covers majority of Fujian province. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Zone_(East_China_Sea) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Defense_Identification_Z... Literally, mainlanders are intrusion Taiwan adiz constantly. That's how ridiculous the western media repotting has been nowadays. They'll refuse to even acknowledge an obviously physically impossible situation, and blame on China...

zepto 5y ago
> So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, Taiwan and mainland is one nation. This is the CCP position, yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=justicezyx https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=justicezyx
- newbear1 5y ago
  That's just what reconfigured by international laws. CCP of course will proclaim rulings that are favorable to China.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Not so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677497 Also, I see your account was created 3 years ago, but only became active in the last hour to post defenses of the CCP and China. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=newbear1 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=newbear1
    - newbear1 5y ago
      - zepto 5y ago
        > So I think it's useful to hide my identity and make throw away account to just reflect a point. You made the throwaway account 3 years ago, and only started to use it two hours ago. > Otherwise, people would start associate my comments to certain ideology allegence. I think the converse is true. If your account had a history of points of view on different topics people would be far less likely to see it as being driven by ideological allegiance. > I am just come to provide CCP's view on hot issues. Thank you for being clear about what you are doing here. That is much appreciated.
        newbear1 5y ago
        zepto 5y ago
        > Well, if everyone is as open as you are showing here, then it would already be diverse long ago. How can that be? You created a throwaway account 3 years ago and haven’t used it until now.
        newbear1 5y ago
        zepto 5y ago
        No - you simply failed to account for why you created a throwaway account 3 years ago, only to use it now.
        newbear1 5y ago
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- lucian1900 5y ago
  It’s the position of the government in exile in Taiwan, too. The one that’s the side of the civil war that lost and retreated.
diego_moita 5y ago
> So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, And who made that "international law"? The CCP? Taiwan is sovereign because they want to be, overwhelmingly. China's imperialism towards Taiwan is just imperialism, like in Tibet and Hong Kong. And like Russia in Ukraine. Nothing different than the U.S. did in Philippines, Iran and Latin America during most of 20th century.
- newbear1 5y ago
  International laws are defined by international community through some Democratic process. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law
  - zepto 5y ago
    In the multilateral case, recognition of Taiwan by the UN has long been something that China has had veto power over. In the unilateral case, China prevents individual countries from recognizing Taiwan or even implying it’s independence through threats and retaliation. A recent example: https://news.yahoo.com/china-threatened-send-lithuania-garbage-143616488.html https://news.yahoo.com/china-threatened-send-lithuania-garba... The only reason Taiwan is not considered sovereign under international law is because China has prevented it.
    - CogitoCogito 5y ago
      > The only reason Taiwan is not considered sovereign under international law is because China has prevented it. Same question as here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677548 Which "international law" are you referring to that doesn't consider Taiwan sovereign? Maybe you mean to say that Taiwan/ROC is not a member of the UN? That is true, but it doesn't mean that Taiwan isn't a sovereign country. Switzerland didn't become a sovereign country only in 2002.
      - zepto 5y ago

zepto 5y ago

> So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, Taiwan and mainland is one nation. This is the CCP position, yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=justicezyx https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=justicezyx

newbear1 5y ago
That's just what reconfigured by international laws. CCP of course will proclaim rulings that are favorable to China.
- zepto 5y ago
  Not so: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677497 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677497 Also, I see your account was created 3 years ago, but only became active in the last hour to post defenses of the CCP and China. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=newbear1 https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=newbear1
  - newbear1 5y ago
    - zepto 5y ago
      > So I think it's useful to hide my identity and make throw away account to just reflect a point. You made the throwaway account 3 years ago, and only started to use it two hours ago. > Otherwise, people would start associate my comments to certain ideology allegence. I think the converse is true. If your account had a history of points of view on different topics people would be far less likely to see it as being driven by ideological allegiance. > I am just come to provide CCP's view on hot issues. Thank you for being clear about what you are doing here. That is much appreciated.
      - newbear1 5y ago
        zepto 5y ago
        > Well, if everyone is as open as you are showing here, then it would already be diverse long ago. How can that be? You created a throwaway account 3 years ago and haven’t used it until now.
        newbear1 5y ago
        zepto 5y ago
        No - you simply failed to account for why you created a throwaway account 3 years ago, only to use it now.
        newbear1 5y ago
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lucian1900 5y ago
It’s the position of the government in exile in Taiwan, too. The one that’s the side of the civil war that lost and retreated.

diego_moita 5y ago

> So first, Taiwan is not sovereign nation. Under international law, And who made that "international law"? The CCP? Taiwan is sovereign because they want to be, overwhelmingly. China's imperialism towards Taiwan is just imperialism, like in Tibet and Hong Kong. And like Russia in Ukraine. Nothing different than the U.S. did in Philippines, Iran and Latin America during most of 20th century.

newbear1 5y ago
International laws are defined by international community through some Democratic process. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_law
- zepto 5y ago
  In the multilateral case, recognition of Taiwan by the UN has long been something that China has had veto power over. In the unilateral case, China prevents individual countries from recognizing Taiwan or even implying it’s independence through threats and retaliation. A recent example: https://news.yahoo.com/china-threatened-send-lithuania-garbage-143616488.html https://news.yahoo.com/china-threatened-send-lithuania-garba... The only reason Taiwan is not considered sovereign under international law is because China has prevented it.
  - CogitoCogito 5y ago
    > The only reason Taiwan is not considered sovereign under international law is because China has prevented it. Same question as here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677548 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29677548 Which "international law" are you referring to that doesn't consider Taiwan sovereign? Maybe you mean to say that Taiwan/ROC is not a member of the UN? That is true, but it doesn't mean that Taiwan isn't a sovereign country. Switzerland didn't become a sovereign country only in 2002.
    - zepto 5y ago