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Taiwan (ROC) has been a separate country on the doorstep of China (PRC) for more than 70 years. This status quo could certainly continue another 70 years. This

Taiwan (ROC) has been a separate country on the doorstep of China (PRC) for more than 70 years. This status quo could certainly continue another 70 years. This status quo could even outlast the PRC government. I think the conclusion you should draw from this is the obvious one: China is not all powerful.

riffic 5y ago
by "separate country", Taiwan is governed by a group that believes it is the true government of China in exile. It might be helpful to be clear about this.
- CogitoCogito 5y ago
  > by "separate country", Taiwan is governed by a group that believes it is the true government of China in exile. It might be helpful to be clear about this. The overlapping (though not equal) border claims by the ROC and the PRC don't change the fact that they are two separate countries. No clarity is required because it really isn't relevant. Border disputes between countries is entirely normal.
  - riffic 5y ago
    you're muddying the waters and it's absolutely relevant (History and historical context is always relevant). In 1949, the Republic of China retreated to the island of Taiwan and continues to this day to claim to be the government (in exile) of China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_the_government_of_the_Republic_of_China_to_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_the_government_of_t... This isn't a simple border dispute between separate countries. It's a governance dispute between two competing claims to a single country.
    - natded 5y ago
      This is pretty funny though, if I've understood this correctly. People in the West always seem to think that a properly democratic government made by the chinese people (be it those in Taiwan or those in China) would be "peaceful", but to me if I look at a map and observe the lands Taiwan claims for herself, it seems quite a lot (if they do actually claim the rights to governing the China-China too, and not just Taiwan the Island)
      - CogitoCogito 5y ago
        > This is pretty funny though, if I've understood this correctly. People in the West always seem to think that a properly democratic government made by the chinese people (be it those in Taiwan or those in China) would be "peaceful", but to me if I look at a map and observe the lands Taiwan claims for herself, it seems quite a lot (if they do actually claim the rights to governing the China-China too, and not just Taiwan the Island) Are you making the claim that Taiwan's official historical claims somehow make the current country not peaceful? How exactly? Exactly what belligerent actions has Taiwan engaged in recently?
    - CogitoCogito 5y ago
      > This isn't a simple border dispute between separate countries. It's a governance dispute between two competing claims to a single country. Actually it's not even theoretically a single country. The "China" officially claimed officially by the ROC is quite different than the "China" officially claimed by the PRC. The difference between the claims it at least Mongolia. But you are correct it's not a simple border dispute. It is a complicated border dispute that has gone on a couple generations now. But it's also complicated dispute between two separate countries. It is quite clearly you who are trying to muddy the waters here.

riffic 5y ago

by "separate country", Taiwan is governed by a group that believes it is the true government of China in exile. It might be helpful to be clear about this.

CogitoCogito 5y ago
> by "separate country", Taiwan is governed by a group that believes it is the true government of China in exile. It might be helpful to be clear about this. The overlapping (though not equal) border claims by the ROC and the PRC don't change the fact that they are two separate countries. No clarity is required because it really isn't relevant. Border disputes between countries is entirely normal.
- riffic 5y ago
  you're muddying the waters and it's absolutely relevant (History and historical context is always relevant). In 1949, the Republic of China retreated to the island of Taiwan and continues to this day to claim to be the government (in exile) of China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_the_government_of_the_Republic_of_China_to_Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retreat_of_the_government_of_t... This isn't a simple border dispute between separate countries. It's a governance dispute between two competing claims to a single country.
  - natded 5y ago
    This is pretty funny though, if I've understood this correctly. People in the West always seem to think that a properly democratic government made by the chinese people (be it those in Taiwan or those in China) would be "peaceful", but to me if I look at a map and observe the lands Taiwan claims for herself, it seems quite a lot (if they do actually claim the rights to governing the China-China too, and not just Taiwan the Island)
    - CogitoCogito 5y ago
      > This is pretty funny though, if I've understood this correctly. People in the West always seem to think that a properly democratic government made by the chinese people (be it those in Taiwan or those in China) would be "peaceful", but to me if I look at a map and observe the lands Taiwan claims for herself, it seems quite a lot (if they do actually claim the rights to governing the China-China too, and not just Taiwan the Island) Are you making the claim that Taiwan's official historical claims somehow make the current country not peaceful? How exactly? Exactly what belligerent actions has Taiwan engaged in recently?
  - CogitoCogito 5y ago
    > This isn't a simple border dispute between separate countries. It's a governance dispute between two competing claims to a single country. Actually it's not even theoretically a single country. The "China" officially claimed officially by the ROC is quite different than the "China" officially claimed by the PRC. The difference between the claims it at least Mongolia. But you are correct it's not a simple border dispute. It is a complicated border dispute that has gone on a couple generations now. But it's also complicated dispute between two separate countries. It is quite clearly you who are trying to muddy the waters here.