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Amazing to read through that repo and then come to realize that’s not some reverse engineered hacker project, but actually a trillion dollar car company publish

by zaroth 5y ago

Amazing to read through that repo and then come to realize that’s not some reverse engineered hacker project, but actually a trillion dollar car company publishing that on their own GitHub page. Very cool.

e40 5y ago
This sort of proves they are the hacker car company. There were definitely features before that screamed it (frequent over-the-air updates), but this seals the deal. EDIT: and the README.md on that page is better than 99% of open source projects I've looked at.
- the_pwner224 5y ago
  Yet the firmware is locked down and they aggressively pursue and punish people who try to control their own cars... they may be the hacker car company, but overall they are very anti-hacker.
  - cwilkes 5y ago
    Can this be a safety issue? I’d rather not have a 4k pound hunk of metal flying at me by someone that just wanted to try something out in a cars firmware.
    - entropea 5y ago
      What's the difference between that and say, changing your brake rotors and brake pads? There's a level of danger there if it's not a professional doing it.
      - judge2020 5y ago
        In either case the person doing the modification would be found at fault by police / insurance, but with software it isn't so clear cut - how do you know whether or not the car is hacked? Often, the collision will become a national news story, prompting Tesla to perform a multi-week investigation to see if anything in the car was modified, all while they've already lost because news media had already blamed Tesla.
  - e40 5y ago
    You're absolutely right. I think Elon is very acquainted with the hacker ethic, he's written a lot of code in his life. People see the celebrity businessman that he is now and they assume he hasn't written code. He's a hacker that worships money more than open source software. There is a spectrum of how hackers balance riches and fame and being true to their roots of open source. I'd say Linus has done a very good job. Perhaps the best job you can do. Elon is probably at the other end of the spectrum, but not quite as far as the Google lads are. They're at the other end of the pool.
bmitc 5y ago
It's called marketing.
- oliv__ 5y ago
  If it were simply marketing, then everyone would be doing it

by zaroth 5y ago

e40 5y ago

This sort of proves they are the hacker car company. There were definitely features before that screamed it (frequent over-the-air updates), but this seals the deal. EDIT: and the README.md on that page is better than 99% of open source projects I've looked at.

the_pwner224 5y ago
Yet the firmware is locked down and they aggressively pursue and punish people who try to control their own cars... they may be the hacker car company, but overall they are very anti-hacker.
- cwilkes 5y ago
  Can this be a safety issue? I’d rather not have a 4k pound hunk of metal flying at me by someone that just wanted to try something out in a cars firmware.
  - entropea 5y ago
    What's the difference between that and say, changing your brake rotors and brake pads? There's a level of danger there if it's not a professional doing it.
    - judge2020 5y ago
      In either case the person doing the modification would be found at fault by police / insurance, but with software it isn't so clear cut - how do you know whether or not the car is hacked? Often, the collision will become a national news story, prompting Tesla to perform a multi-week investigation to see if anything in the car was modified, all while they've already lost because news media had already blamed Tesla.
- e40 5y ago
  You're absolutely right. I think Elon is very acquainted with the hacker ethic, he's written a lot of code in his life. People see the celebrity businessman that he is now and they assume he hasn't written code. He's a hacker that worships money more than open source software. There is a spectrum of how hackers balance riches and fame and being true to their roots of open source. I'd say Linus has done a very good job. Perhaps the best job you can do. Elon is probably at the other end of the spectrum, but not quite as far as the Google lads are. They're at the other end of the pool.

bmitc 5y ago

It's called marketing.

oliv__ 5y ago
If it were simply marketing, then everyone would be doing it