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The problem isn't that the software is overprotective. But that these companies specifically (fraudulently) market these assisted driving capabilities as provi

by vanusa 5y ago

The problem isn't that the software is overprotective. But that these companies specifically (fraudulently) market these assisted driving capabilities as providing more safety / autonomy than they actually do. By giving these features names like "Autopilot" when it's just L2 for example. It isn't the drivers, but rather the companies that need to be "kindergartened". Or in my view simply shut down by this point.

leobg 5y ago
I don’t see anything fraudulent. Self driving is hard. Nobody has ever done it. It’s akin to the first moon landing. You can’t fault the people trying to get there for missing deadlines. When I build an app, I always underestimate how long it’s going to take. I get to some local maximum and think “one more week and I’ll be there”. Then I discover that, to get from 80% perfect to 90% perfect, I need to backtrack and try a completely different angle. I own a Tesla. I paid for Autopilot. I love what it can do today. And I know that even Elon cannot predict when we can take off that steering wheel. I also know that their Autopilot team is pushing the envelope. Look up Andrej Karpathy on GitHub. Do you really think that guy is driven by money? That he has even the faintest I interest in participating in some marketing scheme? These people are geeks. They know they are right. They are wrestling not public opinion. They got no time for that. They are wrestling Nature. That is to say, physics, AI, and the bandwidth of human-computer-interaction. I also haven’t heard of anyone who bought a Tesla because they believed the car could do more than it actually can. Buyers today are extremely well informed. They watch all the YouTube reviews. That story that Tesla over promises features in order to sell more cars makes for great headlines. But to believe such headlines is to miss the real reasons why people buy Teslas.
- vanusa 5y ago
  Look up Andrej Karpathy on GitHub I'm not worried about Karpathy, but rather Musk, whose public conduct is positively unhinged. And I know that even Elon cannot predict when we can take off that steering wheel. Which must be why he said that autonomous driving was "basically a solved problem" back in 2016. Less than a month after that Model S plowed into an oncoming truck, which Autopilot thought was a stretch of bright sky -- killing its driver. They know they are right. This being the very worst kind of hubris - which has always led to outcomes far more foolish and destructive than the simple lust for money. They are wrestling Nature. And as we have seen, regulations (what you seem to refer to as "public opinion"). And per the article below, with the advice of his own engineers, as well. From: https://archive.fo/psSYR https://archive.fo/psSYR : As the guiding force behind Autopilot, Mr. Musk pushed it in directions other automakers were unwilling to take this kind of technology, interviews with 19 people who worked on the project over the last decade show. Mr. Musk repeatedly misled buyers about the services’ abilities, many of those people say. All spoke on the condition of anonymity, fearing retaliation from Mr. Musk and Tesla. For years, Mr. Musk has said Tesla cars were on the verge of complete autonomy. “The basic news is that all Tesla vehicles leaving the factory have all the hardware necessary for Level 5 autonomy,” he declared in 2016. The statement surprised and concerned some working on the project, since the Society of Automotive Engineers defines Level 5 as full driving automation. More recently, he has said that new software — currently part of a beta test by a limited number of Tesla owners who have bought the F.S.D. package — will allow cars to drive themselves on city streets as well as highways. But as with Autopilot, Tesla documentation says drivers must keep their hands on the wheel, ready to take control of the car at any time. Regulators have warned that Tesla and Mr. Musk have exaggerated the sophistication of Autopilot, encouraging some people to misuse it. “Where I get concerned is the language that’s used to describe the capabilities of the vehicle,” said Jennifer Homendy, chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, which has investigated accidents involving Autopilot and criticized the system’s design. “It can be very dangerous.”

by vanusa 5y ago

leobg 5y ago

I don’t see anything fraudulent. Self driving is hard. Nobody has ever done it. It’s akin to the first moon landing. You can’t fault the people trying to get there for missing deadlines. When I build an app, I always underestimate how long it’s going to take. I get to some local maximum and think “one more week and I’ll be there”. Then I discover that, to get from 80% perfect to 90% perfect, I need to backtrack and try a completely different angle. I own a Tesla. I paid for Autopilot. I love what it can do today. And I know that even Elon cannot predict when we can take off that steering wheel. I also know that their Autopilot team is pushing the envelope. Look up Andrej Karpathy on GitHub. Do you really think that guy is driven by money? That he has even the faintest I interest in participating in some marketing scheme? These people are geeks. They know they are right. They are wrestling not public opinion. They got no time for that. They are wrestling Nature. That is to say, physics, AI, and the bandwidth of human-computer-interaction. I also haven’t heard of anyone who bought a Tesla because they believed the car could do more than it actually can. Buyers today are extremely well informed. They watch all the YouTube reviews. That story that Tesla over promises features in order to sell more cars makes for great headlines. But to believe such headlines is to miss the real reasons why people buy Teslas.

vanusa 5y ago
Look up Andrej Karpathy on GitHub I'm not worried about Karpathy, but rather Musk, whose public conduct is positively unhinged. And I know that even Elon cannot predict when we can take off that steering wheel. Which must be why he said that autonomous driving was "basically a solved problem" back in 2016. Less than a month after that Model S plowed into an oncoming truck, which Autopilot thought was a stretch of bright sky -- killing its driver. They know they are right. This being the very worst kind of hubris - which has always led to outcomes far more foolish and destructive than the simple lust for money. They are wrestling Nature. And as we have seen, regulations (what you seem to refer to as "public opinion"). And per the article below, with the advice of his own engineers, as well. From: https://archive.fo/psSYR https://archive.fo/psSYR : As the guiding force behind Autopilot, Mr. Musk pushed it in directions other automakers were unwilling to take this kind of technology, interviews with 19 people who worked on the project over the last decade show. Mr. Musk repeatedly misled buyers about the services’ abilities, many of those people say. All spoke on the condition of anonymity, fearing retaliation from Mr. Musk and Tesla. For years, Mr. Musk has said Tesla cars were on the verge of complete autonomy. “The basic news is that all Tesla vehicles leaving the factory have all the hardware necessary for Level 5 autonomy,” he declared in 2016. The statement surprised and concerned some working on the project, since the Society of Automotive Engineers defines Level 5 as full driving automation. More recently, he has said that new software — currently part of a beta test by a limited number of Tesla owners who have bought the F.S.D. package — will allow cars to drive themselves on city streets as well as highways. But as with Autopilot, Tesla documentation says drivers must keep their hands on the wheel, ready to take control of the car at any time. Regulators have warned that Tesla and Mr. Musk have exaggerated the sophistication of Autopilot, encouraging some people to misuse it. “Where I get concerned is the language that’s used to describe the capabilities of the vehicle,” said Jennifer Homendy, chairwoman of the National Transportation Safety Board, which has investigated accidents involving Autopilot and criticized the system’s design. “It can be very dangerous.”