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This is extremely easy to defend from an H1B perspective for an engineer. It just obviously comes under testing the platform that you build, delivering high qua

This is extremely easy to defend from an H1B perspective for an engineer. It just obviously comes under testing the platform that you build, delivering high quality products and building strong relationships with the rest of your team towards that end. It is also the reason why this program seems to exist in the first place, so it all looks like good faith.

nrmitchi 5y ago
I want to believe that. I really do. But I'm not sure that I agree. Testing of an app/system can, and does, happen within a non-real-world environment. I think it's kind of hard to justify that "testing the app" also requires the tester to physically drive to a restaurant/location, pick something up, and then physically deliver it to an end consumer. If this is the only way for an engineer to appropriately test a system there was a massive failure somewhere else. If it's not the only way to test, then it's hard to justify having the engineer do a job that a different person is typically paid to do. "Building strong relationships with the rest of your team" may be a bit of a stretch since you're not doing a delivery with the rest of your team... you do it by yourself. I'm not accusing DoorDash of acting in bad faith here. I'm concerned that this decision could unexpectedly put a portion of their employees in murky territory
- d0gbread 5y ago
  Testing like CX, not testing like QA.
  - joshuamorton 5y ago
    "dogfooding" is often the term used for this type of experiencing.
- wizardofmysore 5y ago
  My company in South East Asia has been doing this for years now, we are in ride hailing and food delivery business among others. Why is it important? It drives empathy. Testing in non-production environment can tell that the feature is working as expected but it can't tell what the delivery person goes through or what the customer experience is like. Our policy is not one trip but one day of doing this. Overall it drivers a deeper appreciation towards deliver agents.
  - justinclift 5y ago
    > Our policy is not one trip but one day of doing this. That sounds much more effective. :)
- kyawzazaw 5y ago
  It will be fine. They have immigration lawyers.
miscaccount 5y ago
how would a data engineer call it testing the platform. The delivery is nowhere near his job description. It could be kind of reasoned for an app or web developer. Also what about the OPS team. Its is most likely not in his job description that was submitted to USCIS. Also even if its was in job description, on H1b it would be considered an additional job and might need an additional H1b filling. Any active income will need to filed by the employer This is my understanding.

nrmitchi 5y ago

I want to believe that. I really do. But I'm not sure that I agree. Testing of an app/system can, and does, happen within a non-real-world environment. I think it's kind of hard to justify that "testing the app" also requires the tester to physically drive to a restaurant/location, pick something up, and then physically deliver it to an end consumer. If this is the only way for an engineer to appropriately test a system there was a massive failure somewhere else. If it's not the only way to test, then it's hard to justify having the engineer do a job that a different person is typically paid to do. "Building strong relationships with the rest of your team" may be a bit of a stretch since you're not doing a delivery with the rest of your team... you do it by yourself. I'm not accusing DoorDash of acting in bad faith here. I'm concerned that this decision could unexpectedly put a portion of their employees in murky territory

d0gbread 5y ago
Testing like CX, not testing like QA.
- joshuamorton 5y ago
  "dogfooding" is often the term used for this type of experiencing.
wizardofmysore 5y ago
My company in South East Asia has been doing this for years now, we are in ride hailing and food delivery business among others. Why is it important? It drives empathy. Testing in non-production environment can tell that the feature is working as expected but it can't tell what the delivery person goes through or what the customer experience is like. Our policy is not one trip but one day of doing this. Overall it drivers a deeper appreciation towards deliver agents.
- justinclift 5y ago
  > Our policy is not one trip but one day of doing this. That sounds much more effective. :)
kyawzazaw 5y ago
It will be fine. They have immigration lawyers.

miscaccount 5y ago

how would a data engineer call it testing the platform. The delivery is nowhere near his job description. It could be kind of reasoned for an app or web developer. Also what about the OPS team. Its is most likely not in his job description that was submitted to USCIS. Also even if its was in job description, on H1b it would be considered an additional job and might need an additional H1b filling. Any active income will need to filed by the employer This is my understanding.