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> If you're not on it, you don't have a voice. Depends on what you’re trying to say doesn’t it? But I’d challenge this overall sentiment. I haven’t had Facebo

> If you're not on it, you don't have a voice. Depends on what you’re trying to say doesn’t it? But I’d challenge this overall sentiment. I haven’t had Facebook since 2010 or so. Nothing bad happened. I have a large and loving family and lots of close friends that I spend time with. I didn’t lose my voice. If I’m angry I call my representative or show up at their office. If a company does something I disagree with I don’t buy their products and I leave feedback on their website. It’s an illusion that we need Facebook or any other company as a conduit for feedback. We are choosing that path. It’s not one we need to take.

Gualdrapo 5y ago
> It’s an illusion that we need Facebook or any other company as a conduit for feedback. We are choosing that path. It’s not one we need to take. But it's a decision we took as a collective. Same as with many other things - we (people) use Facebook/Whatsapp/etcetera because _others_ are using them, not always because we need to. If you as an individual decide to pull the plug off that stuff while people, groups or others around you that you're in touch with are still using them, you're risking to become a digital outcast. (I used Facebook from 2012 until 2018 and yes, it became a little harder to get in touch with people or many things that just assume everyone uses Facebook)
- ericmay 5y ago
  I wonder at what point I’ll be a digital outcast. What will that look like? Will my wife just sit on the couch and only message me through Facebook? Will my 3 friends I’ve known since high school not send me a text message to get together to play tennis and organize virtual tennis on Meta and not invite me? I think more likely is that this concept is overhyped and fragile. Maybe you can think of something I’m missing here that not having Meta is causing ruin in my life for?
  - mysterydip 5y ago
    A few close contacts are easy to maintain with traditional means. Many of the hobby groups I was a part of have moved to either facebook or discord, and old presences like individual forums or websites have disappeared or are shells of their former selves. If you aren't in a lot of groups, maybe this doesn't affect you the same?
    - ericmay 5y ago
      Yea for some they moved to Slack but not a part of too many hobby groups or if I am I usually just subscribe to email updates. If they don’t do those then yea I’d either get a text message or an invite some other way or just not be part of the group anymore (which goes to show it wasn’t that important in the first place). It’s kind of a filtering mechanism for important interactions.
Tenoke 5y ago
I've survived all my life just fine not being able to drive, doesn't mean it wont inconvenience others to not have a license (though yes, even without that they'd 'survive'). It'd definitely be harder to keep abreast of some events I go to without it and I'd never bother keeping the numbers of a lot of people I have on there without it yet can benefit from being able to reach.
- ericmay 5y ago
  > I've survived all my life just fine not being able to drive, doesn't mean it wont inconvenience others to not have a license (though yes, even without that they'd 'survive'). Don’t think these are very equivalent but I don’t think we should be designing society around cars either. > It'd definitely be harder to keep abreast of some events I go to without it and I'd never bother keeping the numbers of a lot of people I have on there without it yet can benefit from being able to reach. Everyone is different of course but I think for me meditation has helped just let go of people I’ve met. It makes the at-the-time interaction more interesting and meaningful for me because it’s unique and fleeting. It also makes getting someone’s phone number a more significant event because the interaction was so good that I think we should meet again. I also try to just stay in touch locally. Admittedly on the professional side I have LinkedIn for most of that stuff but I’ve had days where I’ve been very close to deleting that too but just haven’t pulled the trigger. I think I’d be better off without it probably but it’s also so useless except as a Rolodex that it’s not doing too much harm. For me when I was at the loneliest and most depressing times in my life I had Facebook. When I met my amazing wife and moved back to Columbus and had a strong social support network and loving family it really made Facebook (or TikTok or w/e) irrelevant.
- a9h74j 5y ago
  > I've survived all my life just fine not being able to drive Interesting. We have public transportation for those who either choose not to drive or cannot drive, or cannot afford a car, etc. Is Meta starting to act like a government if it can ban you from "driving" in Meta's Metaverse, if Meta's Metaverse becomes a dominant mode? Will there be public funded options with less restrictive access than driving in Meta's Metaverse?

Gualdrapo 5y ago

> It’s an illusion that we need Facebook or any other company as a conduit for feedback. We are choosing that path. It’s not one we need to take. But it's a decision we took as a collective. Same as with many other things - we (people) use Facebook/Whatsapp/etcetera because _others_ are using them, not always because we need to. If you as an individual decide to pull the plug off that stuff while people, groups or others around you that you're in touch with are still using them, you're risking to become a digital outcast. (I used Facebook from 2012 until 2018 and yes, it became a little harder to get in touch with people or many things that just assume everyone uses Facebook)

ericmay 5y ago
I wonder at what point I’ll be a digital outcast. What will that look like? Will my wife just sit on the couch and only message me through Facebook? Will my 3 friends I’ve known since high school not send me a text message to get together to play tennis and organize virtual tennis on Meta and not invite me? I think more likely is that this concept is overhyped and fragile. Maybe you can think of something I’m missing here that not having Meta is causing ruin in my life for?
- mysterydip 5y ago
  A few close contacts are easy to maintain with traditional means. Many of the hobby groups I was a part of have moved to either facebook or discord, and old presences like individual forums or websites have disappeared or are shells of their former selves. If you aren't in a lot of groups, maybe this doesn't affect you the same?
  - ericmay 5y ago
    Yea for some they moved to Slack but not a part of too many hobby groups or if I am I usually just subscribe to email updates. If they don’t do those then yea I’d either get a text message or an invite some other way or just not be part of the group anymore (which goes to show it wasn’t that important in the first place). It’s kind of a filtering mechanism for important interactions.

Tenoke 5y ago

I've survived all my life just fine not being able to drive, doesn't mean it wont inconvenience others to not have a license (though yes, even without that they'd 'survive'). It'd definitely be harder to keep abreast of some events I go to without it and I'd never bother keeping the numbers of a lot of people I have on there without it yet can benefit from being able to reach.

ericmay 5y ago
> I've survived all my life just fine not being able to drive, doesn't mean it wont inconvenience others to not have a license (though yes, even without that they'd 'survive'). Don’t think these are very equivalent but I don’t think we should be designing society around cars either. > It'd definitely be harder to keep abreast of some events I go to without it and I'd never bother keeping the numbers of a lot of people I have on there without it yet can benefit from being able to reach. Everyone is different of course but I think for me meditation has helped just let go of people I’ve met. It makes the at-the-time interaction more interesting and meaningful for me because it’s unique and fleeting. It also makes getting someone’s phone number a more significant event because the interaction was so good that I think we should meet again. I also try to just stay in touch locally. Admittedly on the professional side I have LinkedIn for most of that stuff but I’ve had days where I’ve been very close to deleting that too but just haven’t pulled the trigger. I think I’d be better off without it probably but it’s also so useless except as a Rolodex that it’s not doing too much harm. For me when I was at the loneliest and most depressing times in my life I had Facebook. When I met my amazing wife and moved back to Columbus and had a strong social support network and loving family it really made Facebook (or TikTok or w/e) irrelevant.
a9h74j 5y ago
> I've survived all my life just fine not being able to drive Interesting. We have public transportation for those who either choose not to drive or cannot drive, or cannot afford a car, etc. Is Meta starting to act like a government if it can ban you from "driving" in Meta's Metaverse, if Meta's Metaverse becomes a dominant mode? Will there be public funded options with less restrictive access than driving in Meta's Metaverse?