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Probably one of the best videos about subversion: https://youtu.be/GwDdJsdYM3g https://youtu.be/GwDdJsdYM3g

qntty 5y ago
Is this guy trying to convert me to Christianity? Am I misunderstanding his final statement where he seems to say that the only solution to subversion is faith in God?
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Is this guy trying to convert me to Christianity? Am I misunderstanding his final statement where he seems to say that the only solution to subversion is faith in God? Care to link that part? I'd believe it though. IIRC, disinformation techniques are meant to seize up rational judgement processes, and it makes sense that one way to defeat that is an extra-rational commitment to something. I recall a scene in the show The Americans, where the Russian agent was blackmailing a very religious woman into helping him. Going against all rational self-interest and at great personal cost, she told her superiors about what was going on allowing them to thwart the Russian's plan, because she believed that was the right thing to do. The Russian agent character grumbled that religious people are the hardest to manipulate because they don't act predictably (or something like that).
  - estaseuropano 5y ago
    A fictional TV show (even if 'based on a true story' as this one) is not the greatest source of useful anecdotes to guide your belief system, as what is shown simply reflects the beliefs of the writers rather than reality.
    - tablespoon 5y ago
      > A fictional TV show (even if 'based on a true story' as this one) is not the greatest source of useful anecdotes to guide your belief system, as what is shown simply reflects the beliefs of the writers rather than reality. Eh. I'll take fiction over lifeless facts and data any day, about the only thing better is history.
wussboy 5y ago
I’m always scared to click on political videos in you tube, just in case it’s Jordan Peterson. Even one accidental click will inundate your suggested videos with right wing hatred. But don’t worry. YouTube’s algorithms aren’t making the world worse!
- rubyfan 5y ago
  Agree, youtube links should probably only be ever opened in private mode behind a vpn.
- zionic 5y ago
  I’m no fan of his but Peterson is hardly right-wing. If anything he’s politically centrist with a strong focus on individualism. Both right and left wingers hate him because he undermines their collectivist/authoritarian sides
  - KerrAvon 5y ago
    A little web searching turns up a number of people who believe otherwise. Here’s one I can’t easily classify into left/right boxes. https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2018/09/21/jordan-peterson-fragile-little-snowflake-and-misogynist/ https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2018/09/21/jordan-pe...
  - pstuart 5y ago
    > Both right and left wingers hate him because he undermines their collectivist/authoritarian sides Speak for yourself. I don't hate him but I'm not a fan -- I think he's a gifted speaker in crafting what people want to hear but find his reasoning specious.
  - wussboy 5y ago
    I did not claim he is right wing. I only claim that if you watch one of his videos you will get right wing videos pushed to you on YouTube.
  - estaseuropano 5y ago
    He has become associated with a typical young-white-conservative-wanmabe-manly-man crowd, which overlaps a lot with right wing movements. Whether that's his belief I dare not say, but I actually liked some (!) of his talks and bought his book and found it to be pure baseless drivel. He rehashes Jungian theory in a modern format but doesn't manage to create an overall narrative or logic. So even if he were not associated with the right, in my view there is littele reason to watch his videos. For anyone looking for meaning and a way of life I would recommend modern stoics or even just classical Marcus Aurelius, or for those wondern about what is right something like Rawls' lectures on the history of moral philosophy.
throwrqX 5y ago
Is there any evidence this guy was actually a KGB agent? I've seen this guy a lot and he talks awfully like someone who is saying what a certain group of people wanna hear.
- tablespoon 5y ago
  > Is there any evidence this guy was actually a KGB agent? I've seen this guy a lot and he talks awfully like someone who is saying what a certain group of people wanna hear. He showed up in this NY Times video identified as a former KGB agent, so that claim stood up to whatever fact checking they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo&t=180s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo&t=180s. > I've seen this guy a lot and he talks awfully like someone who is saying what a certain group of people wanna hear. That doesn't mean he's wrong.

Is this guy trying to convert me to Christianity? Am I misunderstanding his final statement where he seems to say that the only solution to subversion is faith in God?

tablespoon 5y ago
> Is this guy trying to convert me to Christianity? Am I misunderstanding his final statement where he seems to say that the only solution to subversion is faith in God? Care to link that part? I'd believe it though. IIRC, disinformation techniques are meant to seize up rational judgement processes, and it makes sense that one way to defeat that is an extra-rational commitment to something. I recall a scene in the show The Americans, where the Russian agent was blackmailing a very religious woman into helping him. Going against all rational self-interest and at great personal cost, she told her superiors about what was going on allowing them to thwart the Russian's plan, because she believed that was the right thing to do. The Russian agent character grumbled that religious people are the hardest to manipulate because they don't act predictably (or something like that).
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  A fictional TV show (even if 'based on a true story' as this one) is not the greatest source of useful anecdotes to guide your belief system, as what is shown simply reflects the beliefs of the writers rather than reality.
  - tablespoon 5y ago
    > A fictional TV show (even if 'based on a true story' as this one) is not the greatest source of useful anecdotes to guide your belief system, as what is shown simply reflects the beliefs of the writers rather than reality. Eh. I'll take fiction over lifeless facts and data any day, about the only thing better is history.

wussboy 5y ago

I’m always scared to click on political videos in you tube, just in case it’s Jordan Peterson. Even one accidental click will inundate your suggested videos with right wing hatred. But don’t worry. YouTube’s algorithms aren’t making the world worse!

rubyfan 5y ago
Agree, youtube links should probably only be ever opened in private mode behind a vpn.
zionic 5y ago
I’m no fan of his but Peterson is hardly right-wing. If anything he’s politically centrist with a strong focus on individualism. Both right and left wingers hate him because he undermines their collectivist/authoritarian sides
- KerrAvon 5y ago
  A little web searching turns up a number of people who believe otherwise. Here’s one I can’t easily classify into left/right boxes. https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2018/09/21/jordan-peterson-fragile-little-snowflake-and-misogynist/ https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2018/09/21/jordan-pe...
- pstuart 5y ago
  > Both right and left wingers hate him because he undermines their collectivist/authoritarian sides Speak for yourself. I don't hate him but I'm not a fan -- I think he's a gifted speaker in crafting what people want to hear but find his reasoning specious.
- wussboy 5y ago
  I did not claim he is right wing. I only claim that if you watch one of his videos you will get right wing videos pushed to you on YouTube.
- estaseuropano 5y ago
  He has become associated with a typical young-white-conservative-wanmabe-manly-man crowd, which overlaps a lot with right wing movements. Whether that's his belief I dare not say, but I actually liked some (!) of his talks and bought his book and found it to be pure baseless drivel. He rehashes Jungian theory in a modern format but doesn't manage to create an overall narrative or logic. So even if he were not associated with the right, in my view there is littele reason to watch his videos. For anyone looking for meaning and a way of life I would recommend modern stoics or even just classical Marcus Aurelius, or for those wondern about what is right something like Rawls' lectures on the history of moral philosophy.

throwrqX 5y ago

Is there any evidence this guy was actually a KGB agent? I've seen this guy a lot and he talks awfully like someone who is saying what a certain group of people wanna hear.

tablespoon 5y ago
> Is there any evidence this guy was actually a KGB agent? I've seen this guy a lot and he talks awfully like someone who is saying what a certain group of people wanna hear. He showed up in this NY Times video identified as a former KGB agent, so that claim stood up to whatever fact checking they did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo&t=180s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tR_6dibpDfo&t=180s. > I've seen this guy a lot and he talks awfully like someone who is saying what a certain group of people wanna hear. That doesn't mean he's wrong.