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I think you're entirely too dismissive of other people here, ironic for a thread on "How to change your mind" I've had to calm people down off of bad trips. Un

by dagmx 5y ago

I think you're entirely too dismissive of other people here, ironic for a thread on "How to change your mind" I've had to calm people down off of bad trips. Unlike what you say, it's something that totally happens with single drugs and non hallucinogenics. Hell you can have a bad trip on alcohol. It's all about the state of mind, and having an altered state of mind can make it much easier to start spiraling. This can happen even if you haven't taken drugs too, let's say from stress or lack of sleep. Again it's just about your mind being in a state it's uncomfortable with. Specifically I've had friends on weed who've had anxiety attacks and deep paranoia till I calmed them down. They were completely non functional in the same way someone having a sober anxiety/panic attack would be. I've had to help people on just E at parties who've started hyper ventilating and started having stressed delusional visions. That's not even getting into being there for someone who's on psychedelics, where I've had friends who've suffered fairly longer lasting bouts of out of body syndrome, even after the drugs wore off because of how it affected their perception of self. Drugs aren't the cause of a bad trip. They just increase the chances of one, and for many psychedelics, you therefore want to make sure you're in a calm, happy place. If someone is trying it for the first time, do it around people who will look out for you, and preferably those who can responsibly look after you if things do go sour.

tayo42 5y ago
- atq2119 5y ago
  I mostly agree with you, but your argument would be stronger if you didn't just blame everything on "overdoing" it. My understanding is that psychedelics work by disinhibiting certain self-regulatory mechanisms in the brain. This means a bad trip can come simply from a person's past, e.g. if they have some unprocessed trauma that's usually repressed, the result can easily be ugly. I agree with you that people who already know themselves well don't need to be afraid. It's the grey area of people who don't know themselves well but perhaps want to know themselves better that can get tricky.
  - tayo42 5y ago
    Just in that reply? I only brought that up because that reply kept talking about stuff like panic attacks. I tried to lay out other reasons in the first comment.

by dagmx 5y ago

tayo42 5y ago

atq2119 5y ago
I mostly agree with you, but your argument would be stronger if you didn't just blame everything on "overdoing" it. My understanding is that psychedelics work by disinhibiting certain self-regulatory mechanisms in the brain. This means a bad trip can come simply from a person's past, e.g. if they have some unprocessed trauma that's usually repressed, the result can easily be ugly. I agree with you that people who already know themselves well don't need to be afraid. It's the grey area of people who don't know themselves well but perhaps want to know themselves better that can get tricky.
- tayo42 5y ago
  Just in that reply? I only brought that up because that reply kept talking about stuff like panic attacks. I tried to lay out other reasons in the first comment.