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consistency ftw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29670751 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29670751 gimme open-rc or gimme death actually, sysv was f
by davydm 5y ago
consistency ftw: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29670751 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29670751
gimme open-rc or gimme death
actually, sysv was fine too
open-rc solves the parallel-startup desire for people who want a faster boot and doesn't hide logs in binary formats which can only be interrogated with specialised tools - my primary reason for leaving Debian-based systems that I'd used for 16 years was having systemd forced on me and trying to deal with how to read good old system logging, not to mention 5-minute shutdown times, slower boot on the same machine than with Ubuntu's upstart or with open-rc.
- fsh 5y agoMy Debian came with rsyslog enabled by default which writes the journald logs to disk as plain text.
- Datagenerator 5y agoTried FreeBSD? Very consistent and has POLA, the principle of Least astonishment. The proper good stuff Dell Isilon and NetApp are relying on.
- kaba0 5y agoBecause using journalctl is so bad.. Hell, you can even forward to a text-based logger. And it’s not like it is some proprietary format either
- tpoindex 5y agoYou want MXLinux - Debian with just enough systemd to work in a modern environment but with SysV init. https://mxlinux.org https://mxlinux.org > not to mention 5-minute shutdown times 5 minutes? Try total hang on shutdown, and often not starting up. That was my systemd experience. I traced it down to a NFS mount that no amount of tinkering would mount reliably pn boot. Granted that was several years ago, but soured me on systemd.