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It would mean more if it wasn't coming from a player with a lot of skin in the game. He is right in his technical concerns, but what I see is that Telegram is
by GekkePrutser 5y ago
It would mean more if it wasn't coming from a player with a lot of skin in the game.
He is right in his technical concerns, but what I see is that Telegram is used in a different way around here. I and my friends don't use it for 1:1 chats. But for finding public chat groups on topics. For example I joined a public group where people mentioned drops of hard to get video cards. I got my Founder's Edition card for actual RRP because of that, instead of the inflated prices due to the shortages.
It's a bit similar in the way it's not a problem that IRC has no E2E encryption. The channels are meant to be public. Anyone can join them at any time.
I also use telegram for notifications because they're open to bots and you can even add images. So I have my own server notifications coming through there. Nothing sensitive in those. Signal in contrast does not allow any third party app on their network, moxie has said so many times.
I never use Telegram secret chats because they suck. Both parties need to be online at the same time and it can only be used on one device. But I don't view Telegram in the same way as Signal or Whatsapp. There's a place for both.
My real favourite is Matrix though. It does have good E2E encryption and also has good public channels (which don't need encryption). It's also decentralised, you can run your own homeserver with complete history right on your own system. It has bridges to other networks so you can reduce proprietary apps, and it welcomes third party apps. It's the best of all worlds IMO. Signal is still a walled garden even though it's a more private one.
- colordrops 5y agoThe use cases you mention for Telegram are fine, and no one has a problem with that. Moxie's comments aren't about use cases, but the fact that Telegram is called "encrypted". He's saying it shouldn't be sold that way and people shouldn't refer to it that way.