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Believe it. I've never signed anything that constituted a binding contract. Nor have I ever agreed to anything like "40 hours." I have worked for multiple SF

Believe it. I've never signed anything that constituted a binding contract. Nor have I ever agreed to anything like "40 hours." I have worked for multiple SF tech companies, including public companies. So, you're wrong on all counts. Edit: here is literally the applicable phrase from my last offer letter: > As an exempt salaried employee, you will be expected to work the hours, including evenings and weekends, required to perform your job duties.

WalterBright 5y ago
The offer letter is a contract if you accept it. What does it say about your duties? Note that salaried employees can legally have a day's pay deducted if they don't work that day (Fair Labor Standards Act). So there is an expectation that you'll be working. It's not illegal to have multiple salaried jobs. But you can run afoul of your agreement, because of things like conflict of interest, non-disclosure, non-compete, security, etc. This would all depend on what your offer letter says.
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  Yeah, and where did you go to law school? An offer letter is not a binding contract. See: * "Unlike offer letters, an employment contract is meant to create a binding promise between the worker and employer." https://blog.bernieportal.com/differences-between-offer-letters-employment-contracts https://blog.bernieportal.com/differences-between-offer-lett... * "Contrary to what most people think, a signed offer letter, except in very rare instances, is not a legally binding implied contract. ": https://www.tonybeshara.com/tips/accepting-an-offer-new-employees/ https://www.tonybeshara.com/tips/accepting-an-offer-new-empl... * "An Offer Letter... Isn’t a legally binding contract": https://arcoro.com/blog/offer-letter-vs-employment-contract/ https://arcoro.com/blog/offer-letter-vs-employment-contract/
  - WalterBright 5y ago
    I'm curious what you'd do if they took the work you did and didn't pay you, or only paid you half. Would you be mad? Would you sue? After all, you don't have an agreement.
    - actually_a_dog 5y ago
      Sure, but that doesn't apply here. If my manager is happy with my work, by definition, expectations are being met, which means I'm entitled to be paid in full. Time and effort don't factor into the equation. The phrase in the offer letter works both ways: "hours... required to perform your job duties" can be more or less than 40.
    - Salgat 5y ago
      That's why employment laws exist to protect workers. Wage theft is illegal, regardless of whatever agreements you signed.
  - exdsq 5y ago
    I think Walter was too busy creating the D programming language to attend law school! :P
    - actually_a_dog 5y ago
      That was sort of my point :P
      - WalterBright 5y ago
        I only play a lawyer on TV!
        actually_a_dog 5y ago
        Did you also stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
        exdsq 5y ago
        Haha what? Really?

WalterBright 5y ago

The offer letter is a contract if you accept it. What does it say about your duties? Note that salaried employees can legally have a day's pay deducted if they don't work that day (Fair Labor Standards Act). So there is an expectation that you'll be working. It's not illegal to have multiple salaried jobs. But you can run afoul of your agreement, because of things like conflict of interest, non-disclosure, non-compete, security, etc. This would all depend on what your offer letter says.

actually_a_dog 5y ago
Yeah, and where did you go to law school? An offer letter is not a binding contract. See: * "Unlike offer letters, an employment contract is meant to create a binding promise between the worker and employer." https://blog.bernieportal.com/differences-between-offer-letters-employment-contracts https://blog.bernieportal.com/differences-between-offer-lett... * "Contrary to what most people think, a signed offer letter, except in very rare instances, is not a legally binding implied contract. ": https://www.tonybeshara.com/tips/accepting-an-offer-new-employees/ https://www.tonybeshara.com/tips/accepting-an-offer-new-empl... * "An Offer Letter... Isn’t a legally binding contract": https://arcoro.com/blog/offer-letter-vs-employment-contract/ https://arcoro.com/blog/offer-letter-vs-employment-contract/
- WalterBright 5y ago
  I'm curious what you'd do if they took the work you did and didn't pay you, or only paid you half. Would you be mad? Would you sue? After all, you don't have an agreement.
  - actually_a_dog 5y ago
    Sure, but that doesn't apply here. If my manager is happy with my work, by definition, expectations are being met, which means I'm entitled to be paid in full. Time and effort don't factor into the equation. The phrase in the offer letter works both ways: "hours... required to perform your job duties" can be more or less than 40.
  - Salgat 5y ago
    That's why employment laws exist to protect workers. Wage theft is illegal, regardless of whatever agreements you signed.
- exdsq 5y ago
  I think Walter was too busy creating the D programming language to attend law school! :P
  - actually_a_dog 5y ago
    That was sort of my point :P
    - WalterBright 5y ago
      I only play a lawyer on TV!
      - actually_a_dog 5y ago
        Did you also stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?
      - exdsq 5y ago
        Haha what? Really?