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What, you've never seen a contract which states how many hours a week you work? Maybe it's differnet in Australia but every single salary job I've had has spec
by batiudrami 5y ago
What, you've never seen a contract which states how many hours a week you work? Maybe it's differnet in Australia but every single salary job I've had has specified that.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI've never seen an employment contract, period. I'm in the US and have always worked as an employee, not a contractor.
- batiudrami 5y agoBeing an employee doesn't come with a contract you sign when you begin your employment? (Not facetious, genuine question. Every new job and promotion comes with one here.)
- actually_a_dog 5y agoNot typically, at least not in my experience as an IC. I have literally never signed anything that was a binding employment contract.
- exdsq 5y agoWhaaaaaaaat? Where are you based? I've had that for every role in the EU/UK
- actually_a_dog 5y agoSF Bay Area.
- exdsq 5y agoI’m there now too but still work for an EU startup. Weird to think there’s such a difference - I’d be freaked out leaving for something without a written agreement!
- actually_a_dog 5y agoDon't think I'm not, either.
- WalterBright 5y ago> I'm in the US and have always worked as an employee, not a contractor > my experience as an IC Seems to be a contradiction.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoEnlighten me.
- WalterBright 5y agoYou're working as a contractor or not?
- actually_a_dog 5y agoNo. That is what I have plainly written.
- WalterBright 5y agoWhat does IC mean to you?
- actually_a_dog 5y agoIndividual contributor. Again, sorry for the confusion.
- WalterBright 5y agoI'm skeptical you've never seen an employment contract, or had a verbal agreement (which is a binding contract, too). In any case, if you're a "full time employee", there is a legal definition of that, which will be binding, as that is necessary to comply with all sorts of employment laws based around how many hours per week one works. The only jobs without an employment agreement are under-the-table ones, or you're working for someone who has never run a business before and hasn't run afoul yet of the labor laws.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoBelieve it. I've never signed anything that constituted a binding contract. Nor have I ever agreed to anything like "40 hours." I have worked for multiple SF tech companies, including public companies. So, you're wrong on all counts. Edit: here is literally the applicable phrase from my last offer letter: > As an exempt salaried employee, you will be expected to work the hours, including evenings and weekends, required to perform your job duties.
- WalterBright 5y agoThe offer letter is a contract if you accept it. What does it say about your duties? Note that salaried employees can legally have a day's pay deducted if they don't work that day (Fair Labor Standards Act). So there is an expectation that you'll be working. It's not illegal to have multiple salaried jobs. But you can run afoul of your agreement, because of things like conflict of interest, non-disclosure, non-compete, security, etc. This would all depend on what your offer letter says.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoYeah, and where did you go to law school? An offer letter is not a binding contract. See: * "Unlike offer letters, an employment contract is meant to create a binding promise between the worker and employer." https://blog.bernieportal.com/differences-between-offer-letters-employment-contracts https://blog.bernieportal.com/differences-between-offer-lett... * "Contrary to what most people think, a signed offer letter, except in very rare instances, is not a legally binding implied contract. ": https://www.tonybeshara.com/tips/accepting-an-offer-new-employees/ https://www.tonybeshara.com/tips/accepting-an-offer-new-empl... * "An Offer Letter... Isn’t a legally binding contract": https://arcoro.com/blog/offer-letter-vs-employment-contract/ https://arcoro.com/blog/offer-letter-vs-employment-contract/
- Salgat 5y agoAs an engineer I've certainly never seen it in my past 3 jobs. In software that's especially the case, as your performance metrics aren't based on time spent but rather on your level of work completed.