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> Their stats are impossible. Here is the ideological conditioning coming into play. You have been conditioned to believing that it is impossible for the Chine

> Their stats are impossible. Here is the ideological conditioning coming into play. You have been conditioned to believing that it is impossible for the Chinese to do things better than the West. If they do, they must be cheating/stealing IP/fudging the numbers.

roenxi 5y ago
The best responses to the coronavirus have all been in Asia and Oceania - places that were scared by SARS and prepared themselves. South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, Singapore etc. Those are what a gold standard, world leading responses (with favourable conditions) look like. They are reporting believable numbers for an excellent response. China is not. Singapore alone had double the number of cases that China is reporting. Singapore! It is totally incredible, impossible, not remotely plausible and a poorly conceived joke that China's confirmed COVID number represents the number of people in China who had COVID. China is not outperforming those countries on a per-capita basis in the happy reality we all live in. There is - I repeat myself - literally no way they could have achieved that. Maybe it is equalling them, though I doubt that too as a practical matter. The Chinese work hard, are organised and have intelligent people working in their government. But what they don't have is a magic spell to make COVID disappear the way the stats suggest it has. The stats are not real.
- pphysch 5y ago
  > It is totally incredible, impossible, not remotely plausible and a poorly conceived joke that China's confirmed COVID number represents the number of people in China who had COVID. Why is it so hard for you to accept? China is easily the least individualistic, and most collectivist, of the major Asian economies. Chinese people, and its government, generally value social harmony over individual freedoms. This makes dealing with transmissible disease outbreaks a no-brainer -- you quarantine and do whatever it takes to prevent things from spreading. Of course, executing this correctly is only possible because the CCP is the most effective bureaucracy in human history (enabled by technology, of course).
  - roenxi 5y ago
    I'm going a bit further than not accepting them, I'm almost at the point of chuckling at the idea that you believe them. Your justification here for China having the most effective bureaucracy in human history is that they've lied to you with a straight face. Which is ironic since they probably do have the most efficient bureaucracy in human history. You've been suckered, these numbers are transparently divorced from reality. In the worst case they are lying to us. In the best case they just aren't bothering to report the stats that they keep internally. "China is easily the least individualistic, and most collectivist, of the major Asian economies."? They have a population of 1.4 billion people! A full 17% of the earth's population! Sure on average they may be fairly communal, but that doesn't change the fact there will be some really huge pockets of weirdness that will get COVID (much like Singapore where the problem was ghettos and the disease was contained elsewhere). They aren't going to be enforcing any sort of uniformity over a country that big without switching on the mind-control waves in Ye Olde 5G infrastructure. Which is to say, they aren't. There has been at least one million-person COVID outbreak in China. Probably more than that. > you quarantine and do whatever it takes You're handwaving the part where you come up with a theory on how this is possible. Other countries tried better quarantines than China can achieve. Like Taiwan.
    - pphysch 5y ago
      You clearly don't have the barest understanding about China or how its government works. I recommended watching the American PBS documentary China's War on Poverty (which was taken off air by Washington censors) for a quick glimpse into the real China. You can find uploads on YouTube, probably.

roenxi 5y ago

The best responses to the coronavirus have all been in Asia and Oceania - places that were scared by SARS and prepared themselves. South Korea, Japan, New Zealand, Australia, Taiwan, Singapore etc. Those are what a gold standard, world leading responses (with favourable conditions) look like. They are reporting believable numbers for an excellent response. China is not. Singapore alone had double the number of cases that China is reporting. Singapore! It is totally incredible, impossible, not remotely plausible and a poorly conceived joke that China's confirmed COVID number represents the number of people in China who had COVID. China is not outperforming those countries on a per-capita basis in the happy reality we all live in. There is - I repeat myself - literally no way they could have achieved that. Maybe it is equalling them, though I doubt that too as a practical matter. The Chinese work hard, are organised and have intelligent people working in their government. But what they don't have is a magic spell to make COVID disappear the way the stats suggest it has. The stats are not real.

pphysch 5y ago
> It is totally incredible, impossible, not remotely plausible and a poorly conceived joke that China's confirmed COVID number represents the number of people in China who had COVID. Why is it so hard for you to accept? China is easily the least individualistic, and most collectivist, of the major Asian economies. Chinese people, and its government, generally value social harmony over individual freedoms. This makes dealing with transmissible disease outbreaks a no-brainer -- you quarantine and do whatever it takes to prevent things from spreading. Of course, executing this correctly is only possible because the CCP is the most effective bureaucracy in human history (enabled by technology, of course).
- roenxi 5y ago
  I'm going a bit further than not accepting them, I'm almost at the point of chuckling at the idea that you believe them. Your justification here for China having the most effective bureaucracy in human history is that they've lied to you with a straight face. Which is ironic since they probably do have the most efficient bureaucracy in human history. You've been suckered, these numbers are transparently divorced from reality. In the worst case they are lying to us. In the best case they just aren't bothering to report the stats that they keep internally. "China is easily the least individualistic, and most collectivist, of the major Asian economies."? They have a population of 1.4 billion people! A full 17% of the earth's population! Sure on average they may be fairly communal, but that doesn't change the fact there will be some really huge pockets of weirdness that will get COVID (much like Singapore where the problem was ghettos and the disease was contained elsewhere). They aren't going to be enforcing any sort of uniformity over a country that big without switching on the mind-control waves in Ye Olde 5G infrastructure. Which is to say, they aren't. There has been at least one million-person COVID outbreak in China. Probably more than that. > you quarantine and do whatever it takes You're handwaving the part where you come up with a theory on how this is possible. Other countries tried better quarantines than China can achieve. Like Taiwan.
  - pphysch 5y ago
    You clearly don't have the barest understanding about China or how its government works. I recommended watching the American PBS documentary China's War on Poverty (which was taken off air by Washington censors) for a quick glimpse into the real China. You can find uploads on YouTube, probably.