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Let me ask you, then: if you're paying me $X, why are you entitled to more than $X worth of effort from me?
by actually_a_dog 5y ago
Let me ask you, then: if you're paying me $X, why are you entitled to more than $X worth of effort from me?
- cglace 5y agoDoes that mean during a week if you don’t deliver $X of effort the company can claw back pay?
- welshwelsh 5y agoIf the company feels that your contributions aren't worth $X they can fire you
- WalterBright 5y agoBecause you agreed to work 40 hrs/week for that $X.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI've never seen that in any offer letter or document I've signed for any tech job. Nor have I ever verbally agreed to such.
- batiudrami 5y agoWhat, you've never seen a contract which states how many hours a week you work? Maybe it's differnet in Australia but every single salary job I've had has specified that.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI've never seen an employment contract, period. I'm in the US and have always worked as an employee, not a contractor.
- batiudrami 5y agoBeing an employee doesn't come with a contract you sign when you begin your employment? (Not facetious, genuine question. Every new job and promotion comes with one here.)
- actually_a_dog 5y agoNot typically, at least not in my experience as an IC. I have literally never signed anything that was a binding employment contract.
- exdsq 5y agoWhaaaaaaaat? Where are you based? I've had that for every role in the EU/UK
- actually_a_dog 5y agoSF Bay Area.
- exdsq 5y agoI’m there now too but still work for an EU startup. Weird to think there’s such a difference - I’d be freaked out leaving for something without a written agreement!
- actually_a_dog 5y agoDon't think I'm not, either.
- WalterBright 5y ago> I'm in the US and have always worked as an employee, not a contractor > my experience as an IC Seems to be a contradiction.
- Salgat 5y agoAs an engineer I've certainly never seen it in my past 3 jobs. In software that's especially the case, as your performance metrics aren't based on time spent but rather on your level of work completed.
- exdsq 5y agoI think I agree with you - but this post suggests going below that point. This is about holding on by the skin of your teeth blaming everything on being new until you’re fired.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI don't necessarily endorse the practice, but, that's not how I read it. It seems like "doing the minimum to not get fired" is what they're aiming for, which means not getting fired.
- exdsq 5y agoI don't know... I think the point is not caring about being fired because they only explain timelines for a short period of time. I assumed the end of that period was being caught! But maybe you're right!
- batiudrami 5y agoIf you want to get paid like that be a contractor and charge an hourly rate. If you want the security of a full time salary then you should work the 40 hours you agreed to work in your contract for the amount of money you agreed in the contract. (And yes, I believe this goes the other way and that overtime should be paid or compensated with TIL at the employee's convenience).
- actually_a_dog 5y agoWhat contract? As an at-will employee in the US, I have literally never been presented with anything like an employment contract to sign.
- p_l 5y agoThen the company gets those 40 hours. It doesn't get (other than paid OT) the other hours of ones life, and that's fine.