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This feels so wrong. I always understood this to mean a really good developer taking on two easy jobs, perhaps a senior developer taking two junior-mid roles th
by exdsq 5y ago
This feels so wrong. I always understood this to mean a really good developer taking on two easy jobs, perhaps a senior developer taking two junior-mid roles that paid similarly to the senior role, so they can meet the expectation of the employer while only needing to work 10 hours a week. I thought it was cheeky but fair. To actually try and cheat employers out of wages by taking jobs and knowingly doing the minimum required to hopefully not get fired pisses me off to be honest.
Over employed examples I want to hear about is from people getting jobs in admin roles and automating themselves, or senior developers taking manual testing roles and finishing their work in an hour a week.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoLet me ask you, then: if you're paying me $X, why are you entitled to more than $X worth of effort from me?
- cglace 5y agoDoes that mean during a week if you don’t deliver $X of effort the company can claw back pay?
- welshwelsh 5y agoIf the company feels that your contributions aren't worth $X they can fire you
- WalterBright 5y agoBecause you agreed to work 40 hrs/week for that $X.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI've never seen that in any offer letter or document I've signed for any tech job. Nor have I ever verbally agreed to such.
- batiudrami 5y agoWhat, you've never seen a contract which states how many hours a week you work? Maybe it's differnet in Australia but every single salary job I've had has specified that.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI've never seen an employment contract, period. I'm in the US and have always worked as an employee, not a contractor.
- batiudrami 5y agoBeing an employee doesn't come with a contract you sign when you begin your employment? (Not facetious, genuine question. Every new job and promotion comes with one here.)
- actually_a_dog 5y agoNot typically, at least not in my experience as an IC. I have literally never signed anything that was a binding employment contract.
- exdsq 5y agoWhaaaaaaaat? Where are you based? I've had that for every role in the EU/UK
- actually_a_dog 5y agoSF Bay Area.
- exdsq 5y agoI’m there now too but still work for an EU startup. Weird to think there’s such a difference - I’d be freaked out leaving for something without a written agreement!
- exdsq 5y agoI think I agree with you - but this post suggests going below that point. This is about holding on by the skin of your teeth blaming everything on being new until you’re fired.
- actually_a_dog 5y agoI don't necessarily endorse the practice, but, that's not how I read it. It seems like "doing the minimum to not get fired" is what they're aiming for, which means not getting fired.
- exdsq 5y agoI don't know... I think the point is not caring about being fired because they only explain timelines for a short period of time. I assumed the end of that period was being caught! But maybe you're right!
- batiudrami 5y agoIf you want to get paid like that be a contractor and charge an hourly rate. If you want the security of a full time salary then you should work the 40 hours you agreed to work in your contract for the amount of money you agreed in the contract. (And yes, I believe this goes the other way and that overtime should be paid or compensated with TIL at the employee's convenience).
- actually_a_dog 5y agoWhat contract? As an at-will employee in the US, I have literally never been presented with anything like an employment contract to sign.
- p_l 5y agoThen the company gets those 40 hours. It doesn't get (other than paid OT) the other hours of ones life, and that's fine.