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For sure a teethless Jackal is a dead Jackal. Capitalism is based on thrive for profit at any cost, even causing crises, wars and genocides.

NicoJuicy 5y ago
Like it or hate it. In historic terms, the world has never been more peaceful since capitalism 2.1
anm89 5y ago
So why hang out on forums run by a venture capital firm?
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  Not defending the OP post itself, but this is close to saying why hang around a capitalist country. There aren’t many options. You have to play the game to survive, or thrive, and have a non stressful life worried about a big bill
  - anm89 5y ago
    I get your point but I disagree. It is hugely difficult to gain new citizenships and residencies. It takes huge amounts of money and effort to overcome these obstacles for most people. Whereas there are a million internet forums and mostly anyone can join any one of them for free. Maybe they don't have the same quality of conversation as here (although quite a few others do) but if the thing he hates (captialism, investment firms, etc) produces a culture where the quality of conversation is so high that nothing else can compete, shouldn't that be it's own signal?
    - skinnymuch 5y ago
      There are very very few non capitalist forums. If you’re heavily against capitalism, non political forums will still normally be pro capitalist to some degree. It’s the society almost every one lives under. Not sure where one would go besides hard left forums which are very few and very far between. And then those places are only political. What if you don’t want to just discuss leftist things That’s why after the country thing I included there aren’t many options. You have to play the game.
      - anm89 5y ago
        Oh cmon. Reddit, has about 10000 forums for every minor variation of hating capitalism. Its like a buffet of capitalism hating. As far as i cab tell there are probably 20 anti capitalist sub reddits per pro capitalist sub reddit. Again, a lot of those subs might have low quality discussion but if the reality is that certain topics attract low quality discusion then maybe that ideology simply isnt interesting to many intelligent people. And to be fair thwre qre definitely well moderated anti capitalist forums out there with good content. Also plenty outside of reddit as well
        skinnymuch 5y ago
        Reddit banned chapo subreddit. Reddit does not take kindly to more serious hard left subreddits. As if any platform does (Discord, YouTube, etc). To be fair, this isn’t only anti capitalism issues communities or people though. > Buffet Probably because it’s a trendy edgy thing to say online and casually in real life. Can you point me to some harder left subreddits or communities? Being casually or meme focused anti capitalist isn’t the same thing to taking it seriously. I know there’s stuff like that late stage capitalist one. > 20 per pro capitalist I believe we are using pro capitalist differently. I used it in an earlier comment for any community that will relate to serious status quo issues in society and be okay with capitalism and/or not make it a priority/superficially put it down at times. So all those big subreddits like their main news, political news, every country’s main subreddit, would all be pro capitalist. > low quality Exactly. The subreddit without low quality content was banned. There’s a funny thing of being anti capitalist but not wanting to upend the status quo as much. Those two ideas don’t add up of course. But that’s why low quality makes sense then. > but if the reality is that certain topics attract low quality discusion then maybe that ideology simply isnt interesting to many intelligent people I assume you will say you didn’t mean to point this specifically at anti capitalist ideology. Why write this sentence then? Why specify ideology vs topic if you weren’t at some level pointing a finger at anti capitalist ideology? — I know we are getting a bit contentious here. I’ll admit my side is primarily because of the last bit above where I’m perceiving my assumptions. I could be wrong. I do want to point out I’m not anti capitalist in the same way the OP was. I don’t much care if capitalism is or isn’t the economic system in a society I dream up. I prefer focusing on status quo issues en masse. So I have little bias for specifically caring about anti capitalist communities being given their respect because of being anti capitalist.
dang 5y ago
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NicoJuicy 5y ago

Like it or hate it. In historic terms, the world has never been more peaceful since capitalism 2.1

anm89 5y ago

So why hang out on forums run by a venture capital firm?

skinnymuch 5y ago
Not defending the OP post itself, but this is close to saying why hang around a capitalist country. There aren’t many options. You have to play the game to survive, or thrive, and have a non stressful life worried about a big bill
- anm89 5y ago
  I get your point but I disagree. It is hugely difficult to gain new citizenships and residencies. It takes huge amounts of money and effort to overcome these obstacles for most people. Whereas there are a million internet forums and mostly anyone can join any one of them for free. Maybe they don't have the same quality of conversation as here (although quite a few others do) but if the thing he hates (captialism, investment firms, etc) produces a culture where the quality of conversation is so high that nothing else can compete, shouldn't that be it's own signal?
  - skinnymuch 5y ago
    There are very very few non capitalist forums. If you’re heavily against capitalism, non political forums will still normally be pro capitalist to some degree. It’s the society almost every one lives under. Not sure where one would go besides hard left forums which are very few and very far between. And then those places are only political. What if you don’t want to just discuss leftist things That’s why after the country thing I included there aren’t many options. You have to play the game.
    - anm89 5y ago
      Oh cmon. Reddit, has about 10000 forums for every minor variation of hating capitalism. Its like a buffet of capitalism hating. As far as i cab tell there are probably 20 anti capitalist sub reddits per pro capitalist sub reddit. Again, a lot of those subs might have low quality discussion but if the reality is that certain topics attract low quality discusion then maybe that ideology simply isnt interesting to many intelligent people. And to be fair thwre qre definitely well moderated anti capitalist forums out there with good content. Also plenty outside of reddit as well
      - skinnymuch 5y ago
        Reddit banned chapo subreddit. Reddit does not take kindly to more serious hard left subreddits. As if any platform does (Discord, YouTube, etc). To be fair, this isn’t only anti capitalism issues communities or people though. > Buffet Probably because it’s a trendy edgy thing to say online and casually in real life. Can you point me to some harder left subreddits or communities? Being casually or meme focused anti capitalist isn’t the same thing to taking it seriously. I know there’s stuff like that late stage capitalist one. > 20 per pro capitalist I believe we are using pro capitalist differently. I used it in an earlier comment for any community that will relate to serious status quo issues in society and be okay with capitalism and/or not make it a priority/superficially put it down at times. So all those big subreddits like their main news, political news, every country’s main subreddit, would all be pro capitalist. > low quality Exactly. The subreddit without low quality content was banned. There’s a funny thing of being anti capitalist but not wanting to upend the status quo as much. Those two ideas don’t add up of course. But that’s why low quality makes sense then. > but if the reality is that certain topics attract low quality discusion then maybe that ideology simply isnt interesting to many intelligent people I assume you will say you didn’t mean to point this specifically at anti capitalist ideology. Why write this sentence then? Why specify ideology vs topic if you weren’t at some level pointing a finger at anti capitalist ideology? — I know we are getting a bit contentious here. I’ll admit my side is primarily because of the last bit above where I’m perceiving my assumptions. I could be wrong. I do want to point out I’m not anti capitalist in the same way the OP was. I don’t much care if capitalism is or isn’t the economic system in a society I dream up. I prefer focusing on status quo issues en masse. So I have little bias for specifically caring about anti capitalist communities being given their respect because of being anti capitalist.

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We've banned this account for using HN primarily for ideological battle. That's not allowed [1], regardless of which ideology you're battling for, because it destroys what the site is supposed to exist for (i.e. curious conversation). If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. [1] More explanation here: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=false&page=0&query=primarily%20test%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...