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Encouraging people to take two full-time jobs by lying and cheating their way around is such a terrible advice even if you only look at it purely based on self-

Encouraging people to take two full-time jobs by lying and cheating their way around is such a terrible advice even if you only look at it purely based on self-interests with no moral considerations. Negotiate well when starting a new job (If you haven't find a new job and negotiate well). Do great work. Use the extra time to invest on yourself: read, exercise, learn new skills, etc. You'll be happier and more successful in the long run.

actually_a_dog 5y ago
The premise here, which you haven't engaged with, is that you can get 2 remote jobs and end up with 80% more income than you would have with just one of them, all without negotiating well or needing to do "great" work. You can claim that's BS or not, but, you really need to bring more to it than "nuh uh."
- codelord 5y ago
  The proof is in the pudding. Re: negotiating. You negotiate your comp once, it takes 1 hour maybe. Compare that to the effort it takes to maintain a fragile career based on lies.
  - actually_a_dog 5y ago
    If you can negotiate +80% on your comp every time, then, sure, that pays off comparatively. But, I doubt you can. Furthermore, you only have a few chances to do so throughout a career, and your first few attempts will likely be bad.
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  You can oftentimes just walk into homes and take the things lying around in that home, and if you pick the right homes and the right times, you will avoid the negative consequences that come with getting caught. The premise here is that you can stand to benefit from lying and stealing. What is there to engage with about that? Of course it’s true, but you weigh that against the negative consequences of your deception being discovered.
  - actually_a_dog 5y ago
    Who said anything about stealing anything? It's not lying if I don't reveal to my employer what I do when I'm not working for them generally speaking, so, why is it lying to not reveal I'm doing another job on my off hours (provided it's legal and doesn't break any other prior agreements to do so)?
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      It's lying to represent yourself as working solely for one employer, while actually working for two. It's stealing to accept pay for work you haven't done. If you're not doing these two things, you may not be lying or stealing, but this submission advocates for doing these two things.
      - actually_a_dog 5y ago
        Who says anybody's doing that? If I come to work for you, that doesn't imply I'm not doing anything else for money. And, nobody's saying to accept pay for work you haven't done. The article is simply saying to set expectations low. If expectations are met, then, by definition, the agreed upon work is being done.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        I say most people would be doing that, and the article suggests you do that, because the majority of FTE software development positions require you work exclusively for that company. Most even have IP control over everything you do, work or not. Further, if you set expectations low and you work for me, you will be fired. I expect it’s similar many other places. I’m an engineer, I know what 40 hours of effort looks like.

actually_a_dog 5y ago

The premise here, which you haven't engaged with, is that you can get 2 remote jobs and end up with 80% more income than you would have with just one of them, all without negotiating well or needing to do "great" work. You can claim that's BS or not, but, you really need to bring more to it than "nuh uh."

codelord 5y ago
The proof is in the pudding. Re: negotiating. You negotiate your comp once, it takes 1 hour maybe. Compare that to the effort it takes to maintain a fragile career based on lies.
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  If you can negotiate +80% on your comp every time, then, sure, that pays off comparatively. But, I doubt you can. Furthermore, you only have a few chances to do so throughout a career, and your first few attempts will likely be bad.
TameAntelope 5y ago
You can oftentimes just walk into homes and take the things lying around in that home, and if you pick the right homes and the right times, you will avoid the negative consequences that come with getting caught. The premise here is that you can stand to benefit from lying and stealing. What is there to engage with about that? Of course it’s true, but you weigh that against the negative consequences of your deception being discovered.
- actually_a_dog 5y ago
  Who said anything about stealing anything? It's not lying if I don't reveal to my employer what I do when I'm not working for them generally speaking, so, why is it lying to not reveal I'm doing another job on my off hours (provided it's legal and doesn't break any other prior agreements to do so)?
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    It's lying to represent yourself as working solely for one employer, while actually working for two. It's stealing to accept pay for work you haven't done. If you're not doing these two things, you may not be lying or stealing, but this submission advocates for doing these two things.
    - actually_a_dog 5y ago
      Who says anybody's doing that? If I come to work for you, that doesn't imply I'm not doing anything else for money. And, nobody's saying to accept pay for work you haven't done. The article is simply saying to set expectations low. If expectations are met, then, by definition, the agreed upon work is being done.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        I say most people would be doing that, and the article suggests you do that, because the majority of FTE software development positions require you work exclusively for that company. Most even have IP control over everything you do, work or not. Further, if you set expectations low and you work for me, you will be fired. I expect it’s similar many other places. I’m an engineer, I know what 40 hours of effort looks like.