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> It's not clear from your comment if my insisting on using files/directories is not the Apple way of doing things, or what the people on Mac forums told me is

by sbuk 5y ago

> It's not clear from your comment if my insisting on using files/directories is not the Apple way of doing things, or what the people on Mac forums told me is not the Apple way of doing things. The latter. You assumed that I meant the former, then I can only assume that you didn’t look for a solution particularly hard. As to the rest of my comment, it shows that my assumption was correct. The “highly technical MacOS users” are nothing of the sort. It took me all of 5 minutes to Google what was required. You being lazy is not representative of a platform or it’s users. “Their” solution, by the way, does provide a backup solution, two built-in in fact - iCloud, which is unacceptable to you (which is absolutely fine), and Time Machine. > They are aware of it, and designed it intentionally this way for a good reason. They have certain goals, and this is explicitly not one of them. Funny, I thought their goal was to be a DAM. Importing images is part and parcel of being a DAM. The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. > The point I will make is that most Linux users are not members of those cults either… Funny that, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen a “Linux” user say “just use Libre Office”... You went to, I’m guessing, a Mac based forum with possibly filled with “that type” of user. Again, I have seen, on these very pages’ both Linux, Mac and Windows users espousing the wrongness of someone’s approach. Every last one of them an asshole. I take umbrage with you because you are lazy. You were lazy when looking for a solution that should take around 5 minutes of Googling and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform.

BeetleB 5y ago
Oh dear. How do we go from: > I'm not suggesting that the information that you provided is in anyway wrong or fraudulent, To > Lazy, lazy and lazy. I'm not sure addressing your comment point by point will help, but I do think this thread and your comments make for good examples of common mistakes/fallacies people fall for. To begin with: The original commenter asked "What is it about Apple that makes them hard to leave?" and that was the context of this thread. Your comments focus on what I said, without providing anything useful to the bigger question. You may want to ponder over what you're trying to achieve here. Now for some fallacies, whose names I wish I could remember: The first one: Assuming the other party has the same information that you do. Clearly, you found something quickly with a Google search, and therefore I either did or didn't really look at the Google results. This ignores: 1. Google gives different results to different people. 2. Google gives different results for different queries. 3. Google gives different results over time. You have no idea when I did that Google search. Fallacy 2: If someone has the same information as you, they should arrive at the same conclusion as you. I think this is self explanatory. Fallacy 3: If someone has the same information as you, and they didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you, then that is attributed to something negative. Examples are poor reasoning skills, laziness, maliciousness. This should also be self explanatory. Also, some reading comprehension skills may need to be upleveled: I never said I'm against iCloud for backups. And: > and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform. Can you point to the generalization? I reported what happened. How is that a generalization? > The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. Not sure why we are even discussing this. As I said, everyone knows what you are saying. Darktable made a choice not to do this and they provided their rationale. Their decision has been discussed to death on the Internet. You are welcome to disagree with it, but what does this have to do with the whole thread? A Mac user wants to use Darktable, and is asking reasonable questions. Still not clear why you bring Linux into this. I'm sure assholes exist amongst them. My experience with Linux forums, though, is that while assholes exist, there are usually others on those forums who will answer the question. Still - even if your experience differs, what is the purpose of pointing out that other cults exist? If a cult is problematic, it is problematic regardless of whether they are unique or not.

by sbuk 5y ago

BeetleB 5y ago

Oh dear. How do we go from: > I'm not suggesting that the information that you provided is in anyway wrong or fraudulent, To > Lazy, lazy and lazy. I'm not sure addressing your comment point by point will help, but I do think this thread and your comments make for good examples of common mistakes/fallacies people fall for. To begin with: The original commenter asked "What is it about Apple that makes them hard to leave?" and that was the context of this thread. Your comments focus on what I said, without providing anything useful to the bigger question. You may want to ponder over what you're trying to achieve here. Now for some fallacies, whose names I wish I could remember: The first one: Assuming the other party has the same information that you do. Clearly, you found something quickly with a Google search, and therefore I either did or didn't really look at the Google results. This ignores: 1. Google gives different results to different people. 2. Google gives different results for different queries. 3. Google gives different results over time. You have no idea when I did that Google search. Fallacy 2: If someone has the same information as you, they should arrive at the same conclusion as you. I think this is self explanatory. Fallacy 3: If someone has the same information as you, and they didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you, then that is attributed to something negative. Examples are poor reasoning skills, laziness, maliciousness. This should also be self explanatory. Also, some reading comprehension skills may need to be upleveled: I never said I'm against iCloud for backups. And: > and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform. Can you point to the generalization? I reported what happened. How is that a generalization? > The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. Not sure why we are even discussing this. As I said, everyone knows what you are saying. Darktable made a choice not to do this and they provided their rationale. Their decision has been discussed to death on the Internet. You are welcome to disagree with it, but what does this have to do with the whole thread? A Mac user wants to use Darktable, and is asking reasonable questions. Still not clear why you bring Linux into this. I'm sure assholes exist amongst them. My experience with Linux forums, though, is that while assholes exist, there are usually others on those forums who will answer the question. Still - even if your experience differs, what is the purpose of pointing out that other cults exist? If a cult is problematic, it is problematic regardless of whether they are unique or not.