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And what of Facebooks own rights? Why would your rights come before Facebook's rights?

jaywalk 5y ago
Facebook enjoys vast legal protections that (arguably) preclude them from this type of censorship. They are constantly fighting to make sure that (arguably) doesn't start to turn into something more concrete.
dahfizz 5y ago
I was making a very pedantic argument. It can simultaneously be true that Facebook is guilty of censorship, and they are in the legal / moral right by doing so. I have complex feelings on the topic, but that most accurately describes my position. I'm not saying Facebook is infringing my rights (I explicitly meant to say the opposite). But I do feel strongly that they are guilty of censorship, in the literal sense.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  > It can simultaneously be true that Facebook is guilty of censorship, and they are in the legal / moral right by doing so. They might be in the legal right, sure. But you're never in the moral right if you're guilty of censorship.
josephcsible 5y ago
If you think Facebook is supposed to have rights, then are you also okay with the Citizens United decision? The answer to whether companies should have the same rights as people should just be "yes" or "no", not "well, yes when it benefits me but no when it doesn't".
- annoyingnoob 5y ago
  No, a business is not a person. At the same time, some rights of the individuals that own a business extend to the business. https://www.upcounsel.com/business-constitutional-rights https://www.upcounsel.com/business-constitutional-rights Using your same logic, should Starbucks be required to let you stand in their store and say racist things? What if the manager thought you said something racist and kicked you out when you didn't actually say anything racist, is Starbucks guilty of censorship?
seryoiupfurds 5y ago
Would you also defend Facebook's right to delete content related to Black Lives Matter, and argue that any discussion of such is a waste of time because they're a private corporation and can do what they want?

Facebook enjoys vast legal protections that (arguably) preclude them from this type of censorship. They are constantly fighting to make sure that (arguably) doesn't start to turn into something more concrete.

dahfizz 5y ago

I was making a very pedantic argument. It can simultaneously be true that Facebook is guilty of censorship, and they are in the legal / moral right by doing so. I have complex feelings on the topic, but that most accurately describes my position. I'm not saying Facebook is infringing my rights (I explicitly meant to say the opposite). But I do feel strongly that they are guilty of censorship, in the literal sense.

josephcsible 5y ago
> It can simultaneously be true that Facebook is guilty of censorship, and they are in the legal / moral right by doing so. They might be in the legal right, sure. But you're never in the moral right if you're guilty of censorship.

josephcsible 5y ago

If you think Facebook is supposed to have rights, then are you also okay with the Citizens United decision? The answer to whether companies should have the same rights as people should just be "yes" or "no", not "well, yes when it benefits me but no when it doesn't".

annoyingnoob 5y ago
No, a business is not a person. At the same time, some rights of the individuals that own a business extend to the business. https://www.upcounsel.com/business-constitutional-rights https://www.upcounsel.com/business-constitutional-rights Using your same logic, should Starbucks be required to let you stand in their store and say racist things? What if the manager thought you said something racist and kicked you out when you didn't actually say anything racist, is Starbucks guilty of censorship?

seryoiupfurds 5y ago

Would you also defend Facebook's right to delete content related to Black Lives Matter, and argue that any discussion of such is a waste of time because they're a private corporation and can do what they want?