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You cannot leave the Apple ecosystem. It is everywhere in culture. Their tech influences everything and everyone, probably with no more than one or two degree

You cannot leave the Apple ecosystem. It is everywhere in culture. Their tech influences everything and everyone, probably with no more than one or two degrees of separation. Apple needs to change. Every FAANG/MANGA corporation needs to change. Management and shareholders will never do what is right, only what is profitable. You think customers have a chance of changing anything? Employee activism may be the best chance for meaningful change.

varelse 5y ago
I exist outside its ecosystem and refuse to use any of its components. But then I build my own machines from parts and that apparently has somehow become a lost art. Customers have all the power and they are not choosing to exercise it. They are the only ones who can make those companies change. As long as they remain junkies, this continues unabated. Not holding my breath here.
BrandoElFollito 5y ago
> You cannot leave the Apple ecosystem 35 years in tech, IT and development and I never used an Apple device. Including in two huge, international tech companies at very senior positions. I love new technologies and have nothing againt Apple, just never needed to use them. So much for that prison you are talking about.
- voakbasda 5y ago
  None of your friends use Apple products? Never have any issues with data interchange with Apple devices? That was my point about degrees of separation. You are influenced by their tech whether you use it or not.
  - karmakaze 5y ago
    No. Some younger folk might look down upon 'green bubbles', but I just don't care. What kind of 'data interchange' is common: AirDrop? I can't really think of anything that Apple does well for data sharing. It's not like the days of MS Word, and Apple didn't matter then either.
  - BrandoElFollito 5y ago
    No, they use Android. Professionally it is Android or Apple, data is exchanged through cloud or similar services. My team in probably 90% use apple, but this does not change anything in terms of exchange which is completely independent on the device. Did you have any problems writing your comment? HN is not apple, though. You probably also send emails or read web pages. No Apple there either.
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nightski 5y ago
It's pretty easy to leave the Apple ecosystem. Haven't touched anything Apple myself for over a decade now.
sakopov 5y ago
> Every FAANG/MANGA corporation needs to change. It's very difficult to argue this point when employees are very well compensated for the perceived misery of being employed at these companies.
HideousKojima 5y ago
Other than a hand-me-down gen 2 iPod, I've literally never owned any Apple devices

varelse 5y ago

I exist outside its ecosystem and refuse to use any of its components. But then I build my own machines from parts and that apparently has somehow become a lost art. Customers have all the power and they are not choosing to exercise it. They are the only ones who can make those companies change. As long as they remain junkies, this continues unabated. Not holding my breath here.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago

> You cannot leave the Apple ecosystem 35 years in tech, IT and development and I never used an Apple device. Including in two huge, international tech companies at very senior positions. I love new technologies and have nothing againt Apple, just never needed to use them. So much for that prison you are talking about.

voakbasda 5y ago
None of your friends use Apple products? Never have any issues with data interchange with Apple devices? That was my point about degrees of separation. You are influenced by their tech whether you use it or not.
- karmakaze 5y ago
  No. Some younger folk might look down upon 'green bubbles', but I just don't care. What kind of 'data interchange' is common: AirDrop? I can't really think of anything that Apple does well for data sharing. It's not like the days of MS Word, and Apple didn't matter then either.
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  No, they use Android. Professionally it is Android or Apple, data is exchanged through cloud or similar services. My team in probably 90% use apple, but this does not change anything in terms of exchange which is completely independent on the device. Did you have any problems writing your comment? HN is not apple, though. You probably also send emails or read web pages. No Apple there either.
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nightski 5y ago

It's pretty easy to leave the Apple ecosystem. Haven't touched anything Apple myself for over a decade now.

sakopov 5y ago

> Every FAANG/MANGA corporation needs to change. It's very difficult to argue this point when employees are very well compensated for the perceived misery of being employed at these companies.

HideousKojima 5y ago

Other than a hand-me-down gen 2 iPod, I've literally never owned any Apple devices