3 ms·

Lol who came up with that rule? It’s not true at all. Your analogy breaks down because people actively circumvent restrictions. It’s like arguing theft is ok

Lol who came up with that rule? It’s not true at all. Your analogy breaks down because people actively circumvent restrictions. It’s like arguing theft is ok if a store can’t properly secure their goods.

progman32 5y ago
I rather think it's more like getting a free sample of pie from the deli and only eating the whipped cream.
BeetleB 5y ago
> Lol who came up with that rule? It’s not true at all. The founders of the Web. And IANAL but I would bet that if there have been any court rulings about this, they will be in line with what I said. > It’s like arguing theft is ok if a store can’t properly secure their goods. Not at all. A store is someone's private property and there are laws surrounding it. If I enter a store, the law has already established what I can and cannot do. The same applies to the goods in the store. When I visit a web site, I never enter their property. I make a request for data, and the web site decides whether to decline or accept the request. The web site can put in mechanisms on conditionally accepting the request. There's a reason the official terminology is request and handshake. Since I never enter on to a site owner's property, your analogy doesn't hold.
- endisneigh 5y ago
  > The founders of the Web. And IANAL but I would bet that if there have been any court rulings about this, they will be in line with what I said. Please show me a quote that says that. The entire premise of your argument is incorrect.
  - BeetleB 5y ago
    > The entire premise of your argument is incorrect. I think we'll have to agree that neither of us is providing any citation for what they are saying. I'd like to do some legwork to get you proper citations and evidence but I'm not sure what the purpose of that would be. BTW much of what I said regarding how Internet protocols work is not an argument but merely undisputed facts.

progman32 5y ago

I rather think it's more like getting a free sample of pie from the deli and only eating the whipped cream.

BeetleB 5y ago

> Lol who came up with that rule? It’s not true at all. The founders of the Web. And IANAL but I would bet that if there have been any court rulings about this, they will be in line with what I said. > It’s like arguing theft is ok if a store can’t properly secure their goods. Not at all. A store is someone's private property and there are laws surrounding it. If I enter a store, the law has already established what I can and cannot do. The same applies to the goods in the store. When I visit a web site, I never enter their property. I make a request for data, and the web site decides whether to decline or accept the request. The web site can put in mechanisms on conditionally accepting the request. There's a reason the official terminology is request and handshake. Since I never enter on to a site owner's property, your analogy doesn't hold.

endisneigh 5y ago
> The founders of the Web. And IANAL but I would bet that if there have been any court rulings about this, they will be in line with what I said. Please show me a quote that says that. The entire premise of your argument is incorrect.
- BeetleB 5y ago
  > The entire premise of your argument is incorrect. I think we'll have to agree that neither of us is providing any citation for what they are saying. I'd like to do some legwork to get you proper citations and evidence but I'm not sure what the purpose of that would be. BTW much of what I said regarding how Internet protocols work is not an argument but merely undisputed facts.