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I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or you really believe that. I could just as easily state that I am amazed that people can drive around with their sound

I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or you really believe that. I could just as easily state that I am amazed that people can drive around with their sound systems blaring and make incredible amounts of noise while those around them are trying to enjoy peace and quiet. You are more likely to encounter a loud vehicle than a General Aviation aircraft unless you live very close to an airport.

jmugan 5y ago
I'm serious. Of course, we have to get around, so these things need to be balanced. Commercial airliners are less bad because they move more people, and some of those people are going to places to do productive work. But a private plane flying low over when you are on a nature hike is like a form of theft. You are taking something without compensation.
- JasonFruit 5y ago
  So why is it a form of theft to make noise while you are trying to enjoy a forest, but not theft for pilots to be prevented from enjoying the sky?
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    This does not make sense because enjoying a forest does not cause noise that would prevent the pilots from enjoying the sky.
  - jmugan 5y ago
    It would also be theft if you were making huge unnecessary noise playing music or whatnot. It's all about the amount of noise and how far it travels.
  - jmugan 5y ago
    Oh, what you might mean is, "If I can't fly because I will disturb you on the ground, you are stealing the enjoyment of the skies from me." I can see that. I think it also relates to the number of people affected. If one pilot during one flight across a forest disturbs 100 people who are trying to enjoy nature, that imbalance is where the difficulty is.
    - JasonFruit 5y ago
      That makes more sense. I'm not convinced that most people are bothered by aircraft noise to the extent you are, but I understand your argument.
danny_codes 5y ago
IMO vehicle noise should also be regulated (alongside aviation noise). Or at least, some disincentive levied (tax, etc) to discourage noise pollution. Noise pollution likely has many negative health effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise
- sokoloff 5y ago
  It’s regulated now, is it not? I suspect enforcing the existing regulations would be a reasonable next step. My house fronts on a four-lane road. I’m quite sure a lot of what I hear isn’t in compliance with existing regulations. (Full disclosure: I can’t reasonably be that bothered when other people do it, because I’ve owned modified cars in the past that weren’t in compliance either, because nobody cares to enforce the regs.)

jmugan 5y ago

I'm serious. Of course, we have to get around, so these things need to be balanced. Commercial airliners are less bad because they move more people, and some of those people are going to places to do productive work. But a private plane flying low over when you are on a nature hike is like a form of theft. You are taking something without compensation.

JasonFruit 5y ago
So why is it a form of theft to make noise while you are trying to enjoy a forest, but not theft for pilots to be prevented from enjoying the sky?
- johnisgood 5y ago
  This does not make sense because enjoying a forest does not cause noise that would prevent the pilots from enjoying the sky.
- jmugan 5y ago
  It would also be theft if you were making huge unnecessary noise playing music or whatnot. It's all about the amount of noise and how far it travels.
- jmugan 5y ago
  Oh, what you might mean is, "If I can't fly because I will disturb you on the ground, you are stealing the enjoyment of the skies from me." I can see that. I think it also relates to the number of people affected. If one pilot during one flight across a forest disturbs 100 people who are trying to enjoy nature, that imbalance is where the difficulty is.
  - JasonFruit 5y ago
    That makes more sense. I'm not convinced that most people are bothered by aircraft noise to the extent you are, but I understand your argument.

danny_codes 5y ago

IMO vehicle noise should also be regulated (alongside aviation noise). Or at least, some disincentive levied (tax, etc) to discourage noise pollution. Noise pollution likely has many negative health effects: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_effects_from_noise

sokoloff 5y ago
It’s regulated now, is it not? I suspect enforcing the existing regulations would be a reasonable next step. My house fronts on a four-lane road. I’m quite sure a lot of what I hear isn’t in compliance with existing regulations. (Full disclosure: I can’t reasonably be that bothered when other people do it, because I’ve owned modified cars in the past that weren’t in compliance either, because nobody cares to enforce the regs.)