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As a developer I'm a little confused. Are they skirting around having to pay developers to build the software for their device? I'm supposed to pay $400 USD for

As a developer I'm a little confused. Are they skirting around having to pay developers to build the software for their device? I'm supposed to pay $400 USD for a development kit that comes with no tooling or support and... what? Do I get to release software for the platform under the Pine brand? Will Pine buy my drivers and software back? Will there be an ecosystem where I get a share of profits for the work? If this is hobbyist kit it's very pricey.

DoingIsLearning 5y ago
Your outrage seems misplaced. People are excited to have an open platform to play with, that is not trapped in some form of digital garden. Many people contribute to mainline and to distros because they believe in those projects, no-one expects that these projects co-finance their hardware. People will spend a lot more money than 400$ in other things, this is how they choose to spend both their money and time.
- CameronNemo 5y ago
  I don't feel trapped by kobo/nxp: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara...
- agentultra 5y ago
  Sorry, not outraged just genuinely confused what the draw is here for folks and what Pine's plans are for the "open source community." Will they eventually release a consumer version that packages up all of the software other folks have written on their own dime? Or do they only release these as developer kits?
  - DoingIsLearning 5y ago
    > Will they eventually release a consumer version that packages up all of the software other folks have written on their own dime? That has been the Pine M.O. for their product line. The PineBook was a 'developer' release about 4 years ago. Now it is sold commercially as a full fledge ARM laptop. The PineTime has now reached a stable hardware but still under SW development and the PineNote is I think the first HW revision that they are shipping.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
> I'm supposed to pay $400 USD for a development kit that comes with no tooling or support No, you're not. In fact, if you're not a developer who specifically signed up in advance to get your hands on the hardware in order to start building the stuff that will make it usable, you can't buy it right now at all.

DoingIsLearning 5y ago

Your outrage seems misplaced. People are excited to have an open platform to play with, that is not trapped in some form of digital garden. Many people contribute to mainline and to distros because they believe in those projects, no-one expects that these projects co-finance their hardware. People will spend a lot more money than 400$ in other things, this is how they choose to spend both their money and time.

CameronNemo 5y ago
I don't feel trapped by kobo/nxp: https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara) https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Kobo_Clara_HD_(kobo-clara...
agentultra 5y ago
Sorry, not outraged just genuinely confused what the draw is here for folks and what Pine's plans are for the "open source community." Will they eventually release a consumer version that packages up all of the software other folks have written on their own dime? Or do they only release these as developer kits?
- DoingIsLearning 5y ago
  > Will they eventually release a consumer version that packages up all of the software other folks have written on their own dime? That has been the Pine M.O. for their product line. The PineBook was a 'developer' release about 4 years ago. Now it is sold commercially as a full fledge ARM laptop. The PineTime has now reached a stable hardware but still under SW development and the PineNote is I think the first HW revision that they are shipping.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

> I'm supposed to pay $400 USD for a development kit that comes with no tooling or support No, you're not. In fact, if you're not a developer who specifically signed up in advance to get your hands on the hardware in order to start building the stuff that will make it usable, you can't buy it right now at all.