> I have no idea what Enterprise Java was like a decade ago, but I can't imagine it was much worse or better than it is now I have seen a bunch of it, well fro

> I have no idea what Enterprise Java was like a decade ago, but I can't imagine it was much worse or better than it is now I have seen a bunch of it, well from pre 2005, and it tended to be horrific. You can still write java horribly, of course, but the codebases I've seen written in Java in the past decade are far, far better. I still don't like they approach Java developers take (the tend to architect in "elegant", ornate, massive OOP paradigms), but it generally is waaaay better than old enterprise Java.