> Point is clearly made for all to see No, it is not. You said "wrong-headed" and then made a very vague analogy. Your point is the opposite of "clear" - in fa

> Point is clearly made for all to see No, it is not. You said "wrong-headed" and then made a very vague analogy. Your point is the opposite of "clear" - in fact, it's unclear whether it exists at all. > Your criticism of UNIX commands is not valid in the same way that it not a valid criticism of garage tools that major vehicle manufacturers do not build cars out of garage tools. That's not a valid argument, either. That's a flawed, leaky, vague analogy that does nothing to actually describe, concretely, what your point is. To summarize: you made a non-argument, called it "clear", and then made the same non-argument again. Here are my points, concretely: the fact that no major application has ever been built even mostly out of Unix shell very strongly indicates that it's unsuitable as a programming language, in addition to indicating its unpopularity. The fact that the most popular variants of Unix shell do not adhere well to the Unix philosophy also indicate that the Unix philosophy isn't a very good one for interactive use, either. The fact that all of the Unix shells (whether Unix-y or not) aren't used at all for building large applications also indicates that the Unix philosophy isn't suitable for building large programs. > My understanding is major applications aren't made using UNIX commands because they are ordinarily developed using programing language. The Unix shells are programming languages that implement the Unix philosophy. The fact that they aren't used to build any large or particularly useful piece of software means that the Unix philosophy itself isn't useful for those things. > a straw man fallacy in the precise way it is fallacious if I observe as a criticism of UNIX tools that no major coffee manufacturers make their product with UNIX tools. You used a lot of fancy words here to conceal the fact that your point is completely invalid. There's no relationship between coffee and Unix tools, but there's a very strong relationship between the Unix philosophy and the Unix tools. Therefore, the Unix tools not being used to make large and useful systems directly implies that the Unix philosophy is bad at the same. Moreover, one of the selling points of the Unix tools is that you can use them as a programming language and compose them to make larger programs - so, the fact that people do not do that is, indeed, a valid and cogent criticism of them.