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To me, the thing that brings me back to Krita over and over is that fact that it's intuitive to use. I've been trying to use GIMP for the past 10 years and stil

by oAlbe 5y ago

To me, the thing that brings me back to Krita over and over is that fact that it's intuitive to use. I've been trying to use GIMP for the past 10 years and still have no idea how to resize an image/canvas or where the heck the crop tool is. In Krita those things are exactly where I end up looking for them.

raffraffraff 5y ago
Wife still uses Photoshop CS 2 on Windows, and I've basically told her that when her computer dies, she's getting Linux and open source software, or she's gonna have to figure out Windows 11 by herself and pay the subscription for Adobe. "Fine with Linux" she says, since it's installed on other computers in the house, "... but what can I use instead of Photoshop?". "Use Gimp, of course!" I say, and install it on her computer. Then I watch her get increasingly frustrated for an hour before rage quitting. It's not lack of features, it's UI, UX, workflow.
- otherme123 5y ago
  There are a lot of paths that are unique to each of them. I bet the reverse (from Gimp to PS) feels the same. My wife asked to make a logo and a leaflet, and I never offered other thing than Inkscape. She ended up using it for almost anything. After a couple of years I bet that she will find Illustrator frustrating.
  - CanceledAccount 5y ago
    The difference is that after a week of serious Photoshop training you will have at your fingertips a world class, incredibly powerful piece of software with modern ML tools for smart image manipulation, collaborative tools and cloud infrastructure for syncing documents, plus a massive ecosystem of plugins and assets available to purchase. I say this as someone who strongly dislikes Photoshop. I wish I had a viable alternative.
    - hazza_n_dazza 5y ago
      Photoshop CS2 is good.
- wott 5y ago
  You'd better test if her Photoshop works fine with Wine. If it does, nobody get frustrated, there is no need for her to relearn everything from scratch if she is satisfied with that tool and her workflow established over more than 10 years, and you don't have to pay for a new tool.
  - raffraffraff 5y ago
    It does! Some very minor UI issues but very usable. Actually, I've got an old trial version of Photoshop CS6 (I think? Whichever was the last version they released as locally installable) and it also seems to work on Wine. But you can't buy that any more :(
- yyyk 5y ago
  It shouldn't be difficult to set up a VM for Windows + Photoshop CS2.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  You can run older versions of Photoshop (CS2 is almost certainly old enough) surprisingly well in wine. If she doesn’t like something like Krita, I’d try installing the exact version of photoshop she’s used to under wine.
bitbang 5y ago
Seriously? I can understand people having trouble adapting to a different layering model, but cropping? If over 10 years you haven't been able to figure out Image -> Crop to selection then either it's a real accomplishment they you can cloth yourself in the morning, or this is just willful ignorance.
- jcelerier 5y ago
  > then either it's a real accomplishment they you can cloth yourself in the morning, or this is just willful ignorance. no, this is what the average user looks like. Most people had trouble with TV remotes until they started making them with 4/5 buttons at most.
- archerx 5y ago
  Maybe Gimp has one of the worst UI/UX ever made? I still stand by my theory that gimp was made as a troll program to see how far people will defend opensource no matter how objectively bad it is to use.
  - pessimizer 5y ago
    As somebody who uses Photoshop for a living, I prefer the GIMP. The GIMP falls down on a few major features, not on usability. I can also see how Photoshop as the standard has broken people's brains so much that the concept of "intuitive" becomes entirely lost. It's not as bad as Illustrator, but features are just randomly thrown everywhere; the only reason I'm fast at it is from hard-won experience. It's impossible to paint "Image -> Crop to Selection" as hard to find. The menu is at the same place it is in almost every other program one uses, at the top of the window.
    - depereo 5y ago
      I've never used Photoshop and gimp confuses the hell out of me. I installed krita a year ago for my simple editing tasks and never once had to search online for 'how do I....'
prokoudine 5y ago
> I've been trying to use GIMP for the past 10 years and still have no idea how to resize an image/canvas The tool is right in the toolbox for interactive resizing, or Image > Scale Image for blunt numeric input. > or where the heck the crop tool is. Also right there in the toolbox.

by oAlbe 5y ago

raffraffraff 5y ago

Wife still uses Photoshop CS 2 on Windows, and I've basically told her that when her computer dies, she's getting Linux and open source software, or she's gonna have to figure out Windows 11 by herself and pay the subscription for Adobe. "Fine with Linux" she says, since it's installed on other computers in the house, "... but what can I use instead of Photoshop?". "Use Gimp, of course!" I say, and install it on her computer. Then I watch her get increasingly frustrated for an hour before rage quitting. It's not lack of features, it's UI, UX, workflow.

otherme123 5y ago
There are a lot of paths that are unique to each of them. I bet the reverse (from Gimp to PS) feels the same. My wife asked to make a logo and a leaflet, and I never offered other thing than Inkscape. She ended up using it for almost anything. After a couple of years I bet that she will find Illustrator frustrating.
- CanceledAccount 5y ago
  The difference is that after a week of serious Photoshop training you will have at your fingertips a world class, incredibly powerful piece of software with modern ML tools for smart image manipulation, collaborative tools and cloud infrastructure for syncing documents, plus a massive ecosystem of plugins and assets available to purchase. I say this as someone who strongly dislikes Photoshop. I wish I had a viable alternative.
  - hazza_n_dazza 5y ago
    Photoshop CS2 is good.
wott 5y ago
You'd better test if her Photoshop works fine with Wine. If it does, nobody get frustrated, there is no need for her to relearn everything from scratch if she is satisfied with that tool and her workflow established over more than 10 years, and you don't have to pay for a new tool.
- raffraffraff 5y ago
  It does! Some very minor UI issues but very usable. Actually, I've got an old trial version of Photoshop CS6 (I think? Whichever was the last version they released as locally installable) and it also seems to work on Wine. But you can't buy that any more :(
yyyk 5y ago
It shouldn't be difficult to set up a VM for Windows + Photoshop CS2.
nicoburns 5y ago
You can run older versions of Photoshop (CS2 is almost certainly old enough) surprisingly well in wine. If she doesn’t like something like Krita, I’d try installing the exact version of photoshop she’s used to under wine.

bitbang 5y ago

Seriously? I can understand people having trouble adapting to a different layering model, but cropping? If over 10 years you haven't been able to figure out Image -> Crop to selection then either it's a real accomplishment they you can cloth yourself in the morning, or this is just willful ignorance.

jcelerier 5y ago
> then either it's a real accomplishment they you can cloth yourself in the morning, or this is just willful ignorance. no, this is what the average user looks like. Most people had trouble with TV remotes until they started making them with 4/5 buttons at most.
archerx 5y ago
Maybe Gimp has one of the worst UI/UX ever made? I still stand by my theory that gimp was made as a troll program to see how far people will defend opensource no matter how objectively bad it is to use.
- pessimizer 5y ago
  As somebody who uses Photoshop for a living, I prefer the GIMP. The GIMP falls down on a few major features, not on usability. I can also see how Photoshop as the standard has broken people's brains so much that the concept of "intuitive" becomes entirely lost. It's not as bad as Illustrator, but features are just randomly thrown everywhere; the only reason I'm fast at it is from hard-won experience. It's impossible to paint "Image -> Crop to Selection" as hard to find. The menu is at the same place it is in almost every other program one uses, at the top of the window.
  - depereo 5y ago
    I've never used Photoshop and gimp confuses the hell out of me. I installed krita a year ago for my simple editing tasks and never once had to search online for 'how do I....'

prokoudine 5y ago

> I've been trying to use GIMP for the past 10 years and still have no idea how to resize an image/canvas The tool is right in the toolbox for interactive resizing, or Image > Scale Image for blunt numeric input. > or where the heck the crop tool is. Also right there in the toolbox.