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> The key is in possession of the judicial system. It can only be decrypted and examined with a warrant, with probable cause, as you would need for wiretapping
by the_pwner224 5y ago
> The key is in possession of the judicial system. It can only be decrypted and examined with a warrant, with probable cause, as you would need for wiretapping
That's how you end up with the NSA and CIA being inside every single camera in the country :)
- vincnetas 5y agoIncluding your phone ;)
- antris 5y agoAs if they aren't already.
- VWWHFSfQ 5y agoare they? or is this baseless speculation
- A_non_e-moose 5y agoNo quite baseless, more like speculation with established precedent, motive and opportunity.
- antris 5y agoSnowden leaks
- VWWHFSfQ 5y agodid the snowden leaks say they were in every camera
- antris 5y agoFor practical purposes, yes. The leaks showed how NSA has built a multi-layered data harvesting-archiving-searching machine that works not only through compromised hardware (including cameras), but also big company infrastructures, phone/email/SMS/internet browsing records and content, fiber optic cable tapping, hacking, installing bugs, spying and more. If the camera itself is not bugged, it likely is harvested at another step at some point and nothing's more clear that if NSA wants to see what a camera sees, they are able to tap it if needed. Sure, untapped cameras exist, but it doesn't really make a practical difference. The NSA will still have your information if it wants, and likely already has most of it.
- vngzs 5y agoI don't know how long the records persist, but presumably for things like video surveillance footage the decay period would be quite fast. For full-text contents, less speedy but still fast. I can only truly envision long-term collection and storage of metadata - and even then, it's a big question how much is feasible and reasonable to store indefinitely. It's likely that for your security camera footage to be accessed you would have to be targeted. It's likely that such targeting would only affect footage in the future or very recent past. But I'd grant that pervasive attackers can probably capture exponentially-decaying single video frames from millions of cameras if they were appropriately motivated, and those single frames could go back quite far. The real problem here is the existence of such a system creates a kind of panopticon [0], with chilling effects not only on activity and discussion contrarian to the current administration, but also any future administration that may have access to electronic surveillance records. Without knowing how long records are kept, it is quite plausible that a future authoritarian state will misuse past records to target civilians. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon
- hutzlibu 5y agoYou can regulate the NSA and CIA too, if you really want.
- lp0_on_fire 5y agoTell that to John Kennedy.
- the_pwner224 5y agoIn theory, yes. In practice... no, unfortunately. The people of America seem to be fine with it. Actually, as another commenter mentioned, they probably already are doing it. It would be stupid to think otherwise.
- colinmhayes 5y ago>> If you really want > The people of America seem to be fine with it. The people don't care that they're being watched. That's the main lesson I took from the snowden leaks. I think most people might even like it because they think it means there will be less crime.
- pessimizer 5y agoThose agencies both monitor and retaliate against members of Congress. The NSA and CIA regulate government, not the other way around.
- zip1234 5y agoThe NSA and CIA are both foreign focused. The FBI is internally focused within the US.
- throwaway19937 5y agoBoth agencies have a long history of illegal domestic surveillance. The NSA's warrantless surveillance program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(2001%E2%80%932007) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_(...) and the CIA's Operation CHAOS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS) are two examples of this behavior.