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I'm not suggesting that the information that you provided is in anyway wrong or fraudulent, but I do have some observations. Firstly, and most importantly, wha

by sbuk 5y ago

I'm not suggesting that the information that you provided is in anyway wrong or fraudulent, but I do have some observations. Firstly, and most importantly, what you have described is categorically not the "Apple" way of doing things. I'd also add expecting things to work identically between Linux/Windows/Mac is is a fools errand. Different design decisions are made for each environment. To the flow - Darktable, whilst a fine DAW, clearly lacks in certain features. It should be able to handle importing and renaming files to a standard file structure, including sane default folder names, etc. without the need for scripting. This is a flaw that I suggest you raise with the maintainers. I've never heard of the software that you/your wife is using to capture the images from the device, but a cursory Google search bought up some interesting results... DigiCam seems to be what you are looking for! It free (libre and beer), scriptable, and acts as a DAW should you need. Will it work like Rapid Photo Downloader? Probably not, but the maintainer of that software doesn't seem interested in supporting macOS, and that's fine. From the FAQ: Does it work on Windows or Mac? No. Theoretically it could be ported to both Mac and Windows with minimal effort. The one gotcha is getting gphoto2 to work effectively on Windows. It's GPL2 and the source code is here; nothing stopping you or your wife porting it to macOS. https://github.com/damonlynch/rapid-photo-downloader https://github.com/damonlynch/rapid-photo-downloader Finally, a bit about the "Cult". The Mac 'cult' is no different to the FOSS 'cult'. Both sides are enthusiastic about their environments to the point of the being, frankly, assholes. Too much "your doing it wrong" and not enough "what are you trying to do".

BeetleB 5y ago
> Firstly, and most importantly, what you have described is categorically not the "Apple" way of doing things. It's not clear from your comment if my insisting on using files/directories is not the Apple way of doing things, or what the people on Mac forums told me is not the Apple way of doing things. If the former, your whole comment merely adds to what I and my parent were trying to say - that even though MacOS has totally fine support for files/folders, Mac users appear to have a hard time switching away from Apple. As for the rest of your comment, I don't understand the relevance or why it is being directed to me. I'm not complaining that there doesn't seem to be an equivalent of Rapid Photo Downloader. I'm complaining that even highly technical MacOS users insist that resorting to basic things like storing photos in directories and dealing with their file names is simply wrong - and that their solution entails a lot more disk space and had no clear backup solution. > It should be able to handle importing and renaming files to a standard file structure, including sane default folder names, etc. without the need for scripting. This is a flaw that I suggest you raise with the maintainers. They are aware of it, and designed it intentionally this way for a good reason. They have certain goals, and this is explicitly not one of them. I can't fault them for not doing what they make clear they have no intention of doing. > Finally, a bit about the "Cult". The Mac 'cult' is no different to the FOSS 'cult'. Again, not sure why this is directed to me. I'm no fan of the FOSS/GNU/GPL cult either. The point I will make is that most Linux users are not members of those cults either, and it is not a barrier for them using Linux. The same goes for Windows. When I've wanted to do nonstandard things in Windows, I don't get Windows users telling me I'm doing it wrong.
- sbuk 5y ago
  > It's not clear from your comment if my insisting on using files/directories is not the Apple way of doing things, or what the people on Mac forums told me is not the Apple way of doing things. The latter. You assumed that I meant the former, then I can only assume that you didn’t look for a solution particularly hard. As to the rest of my comment, it shows that my assumption was correct. The “highly technical MacOS users” are nothing of the sort. It took me all of 5 minutes to Google what was required. You being lazy is not representative of a platform or it’s users. “Their” solution, by the way, does provide a backup solution, two built-in in fact - iCloud, which is unacceptable to you (which is absolutely fine), and Time Machine. > They are aware of it, and designed it intentionally this way for a good reason. They have certain goals, and this is explicitly not one of them. Funny, I thought their goal was to be a DAM. Importing images is part and parcel of being a DAM. The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. > The point I will make is that most Linux users are not members of those cults either… Funny that, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen a “Linux” user say “just use Libre Office”... You went to, I’m guessing, a Mac based forum with possibly filled with “that type” of user. Again, I have seen, on these very pages’ both Linux, Mac and Windows users espousing the wrongness of someone’s approach. Every last one of them an asshole. I take umbrage with you because you are lazy. You were lazy when looking for a solution that should take around 5 minutes of Googling and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform.
  - BeetleB 5y ago
    Oh dear. How do we go from: > I'm not suggesting that the information that you provided is in anyway wrong or fraudulent, To > Lazy, lazy and lazy. I'm not sure addressing your comment point by point will help, but I do think this thread and your comments make for good examples of common mistakes/fallacies people fall for. To begin with: The original commenter asked "What is it about Apple that makes them hard to leave?" and that was the context of this thread. Your comments focus on what I said, without providing anything useful to the bigger question. You may want to ponder over what you're trying to achieve here. Now for some fallacies, whose names I wish I could remember: The first one: Assuming the other party has the same information that you do. Clearly, you found something quickly with a Google search, and therefore I either did or didn't really look at the Google results. This ignores: 1. Google gives different results to different people. 2. Google gives different results for different queries. 3. Google gives different results over time. You have no idea when I did that Google search. Fallacy 2: If someone has the same information as you, they should arrive at the same conclusion as you. I think this is self explanatory. Fallacy 3: If someone has the same information as you, and they didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you, then that is attributed to something negative. Examples are poor reasoning skills, laziness, maliciousness. This should also be self explanatory. Also, some reading comprehension skills may need to be upleveled: I never said I'm against iCloud for backups. And: > and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform. Can you point to the generalization? I reported what happened. How is that a generalization? > The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. Not sure why we are even discussing this. As I said, everyone knows what you are saying. Darktable made a choice not to do this and they provided their rationale. Their decision has been discussed to death on the Internet. You are welcome to disagree with it, but what does this have to do with the whole thread? A Mac user wants to use Darktable, and is asking reasonable questions. Still not clear why you bring Linux into this. I'm sure assholes exist amongst them. My experience with Linux forums, though, is that while assholes exist, there are usually others on those forums who will answer the question. Still - even if your experience differs, what is the purpose of pointing out that other cults exist? If a cult is problematic, it is problematic regardless of whether they are unique or not.

by sbuk 5y ago

BeetleB 5y ago

> Firstly, and most importantly, what you have described is categorically not the "Apple" way of doing things. It's not clear from your comment if my insisting on using files/directories is not the Apple way of doing things, or what the people on Mac forums told me is not the Apple way of doing things. If the former, your whole comment merely adds to what I and my parent were trying to say - that even though MacOS has totally fine support for files/folders, Mac users appear to have a hard time switching away from Apple. As for the rest of your comment, I don't understand the relevance or why it is being directed to me. I'm not complaining that there doesn't seem to be an equivalent of Rapid Photo Downloader. I'm complaining that even highly technical MacOS users insist that resorting to basic things like storing photos in directories and dealing with their file names is simply wrong - and that their solution entails a lot more disk space and had no clear backup solution. > It should be able to handle importing and renaming files to a standard file structure, including sane default folder names, etc. without the need for scripting. This is a flaw that I suggest you raise with the maintainers. They are aware of it, and designed it intentionally this way for a good reason. They have certain goals, and this is explicitly not one of them. I can't fault them for not doing what they make clear they have no intention of doing. > Finally, a bit about the "Cult". The Mac 'cult' is no different to the FOSS 'cult'. Again, not sure why this is directed to me. I'm no fan of the FOSS/GNU/GPL cult either. The point I will make is that most Linux users are not members of those cults either, and it is not a barrier for them using Linux. The same goes for Windows. When I've wanted to do nonstandard things in Windows, I don't get Windows users telling me I'm doing it wrong.

sbuk 5y ago
> It's not clear from your comment if my insisting on using files/directories is not the Apple way of doing things, or what the people on Mac forums told me is not the Apple way of doing things. The latter. You assumed that I meant the former, then I can only assume that you didn’t look for a solution particularly hard. As to the rest of my comment, it shows that my assumption was correct. The “highly technical MacOS users” are nothing of the sort. It took me all of 5 minutes to Google what was required. You being lazy is not representative of a platform or it’s users. “Their” solution, by the way, does provide a backup solution, two built-in in fact - iCloud, which is unacceptable to you (which is absolutely fine), and Time Machine. > They are aware of it, and designed it intentionally this way for a good reason. They have certain goals, and this is explicitly not one of them. Funny, I thought their goal was to be a DAM. Importing images is part and parcel of being a DAM. The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. > The point I will make is that most Linux users are not members of those cults either… Funny that, I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen a “Linux” user say “just use Libre Office”... You went to, I’m guessing, a Mac based forum with possibly filled with “that type” of user. Again, I have seen, on these very pages’ both Linux, Mac and Windows users espousing the wrongness of someone’s approach. Every last one of them an asshole. I take umbrage with you because you are lazy. You were lazy when looking for a solution that should take around 5 minutes of Googling and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform.
- BeetleB 5y ago
  Oh dear. How do we go from: > I'm not suggesting that the information that you provided is in anyway wrong or fraudulent, To > Lazy, lazy and lazy. I'm not sure addressing your comment point by point will help, but I do think this thread and your comments make for good examples of common mistakes/fallacies people fall for. To begin with: The original commenter asked "What is it about Apple that makes them hard to leave?" and that was the context of this thread. Your comments focus on what I said, without providing anything useful to the bigger question. You may want to ponder over what you're trying to achieve here. Now for some fallacies, whose names I wish I could remember: The first one: Assuming the other party has the same information that you do. Clearly, you found something quickly with a Google search, and therefore I either did or didn't really look at the Google results. This ignores: 1. Google gives different results to different people. 2. Google gives different results for different queries. 3. Google gives different results over time. You have no idea when I did that Google search. Fallacy 2: If someone has the same information as you, they should arrive at the same conclusion as you. I think this is self explanatory. Fallacy 3: If someone has the same information as you, and they didn't arrive at the same conclusion as you, then that is attributed to something negative. Examples are poor reasoning skills, laziness, maliciousness. This should also be self explanatory. Also, some reading comprehension skills may need to be upleveled: I never said I'm against iCloud for backups. And: > and you’re being lazy when generalising about users of a given platform. Can you point to the generalization? I reported what happened. How is that a generalization? > The pro-level DAMs certainly do this. Even as an amateur, using separate software to manage importing and organising files seem like a a pain. Not sure why we are even discussing this. As I said, everyone knows what you are saying. Darktable made a choice not to do this and they provided their rationale. Their decision has been discussed to death on the Internet. You are welcome to disagree with it, but what does this have to do with the whole thread? A Mac user wants to use Darktable, and is asking reasonable questions. Still not clear why you bring Linux into this. I'm sure assholes exist amongst them. My experience with Linux forums, though, is that while assholes exist, there are usually others on those forums who will answer the question. Still - even if your experience differs, what is the purpose of pointing out that other cults exist? If a cult is problematic, it is problematic regardless of whether they are unique or not.