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> AWS doesn’t access customers’ data Amazon's product people also don't look at third party seller statistics to decide which products to sell themselves. Unti

> AWS doesn’t access customers’ data Amazon's product people also don't look at third party seller statistics to decide which products to sell themselves. Until they got caught doing just that. To assume that they don't look at data feels naive. A German super market chain with online ambitions has a rule that nothing touching their pipeline can be hosted on AWS. Want to sell them SaaS? You can't run your nodes on AWS. I consider that to be reasonable.

jen20 5y ago
AFAIK Walmart has that rule too.
- e1g 5y ago
  Yes, they do - we pitched to them, and they said for our talks to continue we’d need to use another cloud (at least for their tenancy).
- geoduck14 5y ago
  They do have that rule. And my previous company boasted that they signed a contract with us even though we used AWS. It was a pretty big deal, IMHO.
z3j4e 5y ago
> A German super market chain Which one? I would like to support non-AWS-companies.
- detaro 5y ago
  Lidl
pixiemaster 5y ago
They started the Schwarz Group Cloud (Stackit), 8000 developers and yet not a single production ready service yet.
- darkwater 5y ago
  So, is this fake? https://www.stackit.de/en/cloud/products-services/ https://www.stackit.de/en/cloud/products-services/
  - pixiemaster 5y ago
    no, definitly not. but Lidl don‘t run a single production service on it yet.
    - darkwater 5y ago
      I guess you have inside information but my naive assumption, reading the website doc and guessing how this things work, is that Scwarz group created it on top of their already existing self-service infrastructure, they "just" opened to external customers. Or did they create it from scratch?
- the_monocle 5y ago
  where do you got that 8000 developer number from? Sounds like a lot
  - pixiemaster 5y ago
    https://www.discountretailconsulting.com/post/germany-schwarz-gruppe-will-start-a-cloud-platform-in-early-2021 https://www.discountretailconsulting.com/post/germany-schwar...
    - the_monocle 5y ago
      You have misread, it talks about the open source platform OpenStack, and that over 8000 thousand developers work on OpenStack.
  - redis_mlc 5y ago
helsinkiandrew 5y ago
Are you referring to third party seller sales on the amazon.com websites? That's completely different and separate issue from AWS customer data (for example someone running e-commerce software on a linux VM). 3rd party seller sales pay Amazon commission on each sale - deciding which products are selling well is just a matter of Amazon doing a SQL call on their own sales database (much like a physical retailer may see what brands/products are selling well)
- lvs 5y ago
  (S)he's just saying that Amazon's claims about their business practices can't be audited by anyone and are therefore unenforceable except by lawsuit on a timescale of years.
openplatypus 5y ago
That's great. It is heart-warming to hear some businesses are taking this threat seriously. We built are service in similar vain. Nothing can reside under authority on non-EU entity, and nothing can be hosted on servers owned by non-EU entity. This effectively removed AWS, Azure, GCP and Alibaba. And still, we had plenty of choice. We specifically picked “boring” cloud provider. No thrills cloud vendor which has core business in building infrastructure rather than snooping on customers.
- gbrayut 5y ago
  Curious on your thoughts about the "Sovereign Cloud" features discussed at https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/new-sovereign-controls-for-gcp-via-assured-workloads https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/new... Would having a 3rd party host the services in the EU meet your requirements? Or having data residency restrictions with strict key management, EU based support, and access transparency/approvals? IMO Google is also taking this seriously, but I am genuinely curious if any off the above would meet your requirements.

jen20 5y ago

AFAIK Walmart has that rule too.

e1g 5y ago
Yes, they do - we pitched to them, and they said for our talks to continue we’d need to use another cloud (at least for their tenancy).
geoduck14 5y ago
They do have that rule. And my previous company boasted that they signed a contract with us even though we used AWS. It was a pretty big deal, IMHO.

z3j4e 5y ago

> A German super market chain Which one? I would like to support non-AWS-companies.

detaro 5y ago
Lidl

pixiemaster 5y ago

They started the Schwarz Group Cloud (Stackit), 8000 developers and yet not a single production ready service yet.

darkwater 5y ago
So, is this fake? https://www.stackit.de/en/cloud/products-services/ https://www.stackit.de/en/cloud/products-services/
- pixiemaster 5y ago
  no, definitly not. but Lidl don‘t run a single production service on it yet.
  - darkwater 5y ago
    I guess you have inside information but my naive assumption, reading the website doc and guessing how this things work, is that Scwarz group created it on top of their already existing self-service infrastructure, they "just" opened to external customers. Or did they create it from scratch?
the_monocle 5y ago
where do you got that 8000 developer number from? Sounds like a lot
- pixiemaster 5y ago
  https://www.discountretailconsulting.com/post/germany-schwarz-gruppe-will-start-a-cloud-platform-in-early-2021 https://www.discountretailconsulting.com/post/germany-schwar...
  - the_monocle 5y ago
    You have misread, it talks about the open source platform OpenStack, and that over 8000 thousand developers work on OpenStack.
- redis_mlc 5y ago

helsinkiandrew 5y ago

Are you referring to third party seller sales on the amazon.com websites? That's completely different and separate issue from AWS customer data (for example someone running e-commerce software on a linux VM). 3rd party seller sales pay Amazon commission on each sale - deciding which products are selling well is just a matter of Amazon doing a SQL call on their own sales database (much like a physical retailer may see what brands/products are selling well)

lvs 5y ago
(S)he's just saying that Amazon's claims about their business practices can't be audited by anyone and are therefore unenforceable except by lawsuit on a timescale of years.

openplatypus 5y ago

That's great. It is heart-warming to hear some businesses are taking this threat seriously. We built are service in similar vain. Nothing can reside under authority on non-EU entity, and nothing can be hosted on servers owned by non-EU entity. This effectively removed AWS, Azure, GCP and Alibaba. And still, we had plenty of choice. We specifically picked “boring” cloud provider. No thrills cloud vendor which has core business in building infrastructure rather than snooping on customers.

gbrayut 5y ago
Curious on your thoughts about the "Sovereign Cloud" features discussed at https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/new-sovereign-controls-for-gcp-via-assured-workloads https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/identity-security/new... Would having a 3rd party host the services in the EU meet your requirements? Or having data residency restrictions with strict key management, EU based support, and access transparency/approvals? IMO Google is also taking this seriously, but I am genuinely curious if any off the above would meet your requirements.