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London is the surveillance capital of the world: London is often called the CCTV capital of the world, and for good reason. The city is home to hundreds of tho

London is the surveillance capital of the world: London is often called the CCTV capital of the world, and for good reason. The city is home to hundreds of thousands of CCTV cameras, and the average Londoner is caught on CCTV 300 times a day. https://www.cctv.co.uk/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-there-in-london/ https://www.cctv.co.uk/how-many-cctv-cameras-are-there-in-lo... Facial recognition software is being integrated now into this network. No one seems to mind at all. It seems that the same is in most of the rest of the world.

ricardobayes 5y ago
Not everywhere though, in Spain it's illegal to film the street. "In Spain, the law protects the rights of citizens to use public spaces, which is free from interference (Clavell et al., 2012)" If you want to live a functioning non-Orwellian society, move here.
- andy_ppp 5y ago
  Spain seems really competent right now compared to the UK, they even have a digital nomad visa for people outside the EU. With remote working being mainstream going forward I'm certainly going to consider somewhere with more sunshine and less harsh winters...
  - dmje 5y ago
    The other easier option (although doesn't solve the sunshine problem..) is moving out of cities into rural areas. Very few cameras where we live in Cornwall.
    - _vr9d 5y ago
      If you do video calls through teams or similar when working remotely, internet speed would be a big issue, coupled with the abandon of a lot of rural areas in spain
      - ricardobayes 5y ago
        Starlink is fixing that, available in Spain 2022
    - deleted 5y ago
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  - novok 5y ago
    They have bad economics and were living under a dictatorship in living memory. Those countries can do the best for a while once they free themselves from dictatorship.
    - ricardobayes 5y ago
      Bad economics is very debatable. Still a top 15 country by GDP, it virtually matches the economic output of Australia. Pensions are 20 times higher (!) from the country I'm originally from, that is still in the European Union. So yeah, if you are from US, it might look 'bad', but for about 6 Billion people it's a dream place. But also, they certainly don't work themselves to death. Live to live, not work.
- kenoph 5y ago
  Explain this to the folks at home: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85qnx5/george_orwell_square_in_barcelona/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85qnx5/george_orwel...
  - ricardobayes 5y ago
    yes, having one CCTV is exactly the same situation as covering every square meter like in London. /s
    - kenoph 5y ago
      I most certainly didn't imply that (: But you did say it was illegal. Seems to me there are exceptions if that picture is to be trusted.e
brk 5y ago
* London is the surveillance capital of the world* That's only because China does not release much information publicly about their surveillance systems, but many parts of China are most likely far more surveilled than London.

ricardobayes 5y ago

Not everywhere though, in Spain it's illegal to film the street. "In Spain, the law protects the rights of citizens to use public spaces, which is free from interference (Clavell et al., 2012)" If you want to live a functioning non-Orwellian society, move here.

andy_ppp 5y ago
Spain seems really competent right now compared to the UK, they even have a digital nomad visa for people outside the EU. With remote working being mainstream going forward I'm certainly going to consider somewhere with more sunshine and less harsh winters...
- dmje 5y ago
  The other easier option (although doesn't solve the sunshine problem..) is moving out of cities into rural areas. Very few cameras where we live in Cornwall.
  - _vr9d 5y ago
    If you do video calls through teams or similar when working remotely, internet speed would be a big issue, coupled with the abandon of a lot of rural areas in spain
    - ricardobayes 5y ago
      Starlink is fixing that, available in Spain 2022
  - deleted 5y ago
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- novok 5y ago
  They have bad economics and were living under a dictatorship in living memory. Those countries can do the best for a while once they free themselves from dictatorship.
  - ricardobayes 5y ago
    Bad economics is very debatable. Still a top 15 country by GDP, it virtually matches the economic output of Australia. Pensions are 20 times higher (!) from the country I'm originally from, that is still in the European Union. So yeah, if you are from US, it might look 'bad', but for about 6 Billion people it's a dream place. But also, they certainly don't work themselves to death. Live to live, not work.
kenoph 5y ago
Explain this to the folks at home: https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85qnx5/george_orwell_square_in_barcelona/ https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/85qnx5/george_orwel...
- ricardobayes 5y ago
  yes, having one CCTV is exactly the same situation as covering every square meter like in London. /s
  - kenoph 5y ago
    I most certainly didn't imply that (: But you did say it was illegal. Seems to me there are exceptions if that picture is to be trusted.e

brk 5y ago

* London is the surveillance capital of the world* That's only because China does not release much information publicly about their surveillance systems, but many parts of China are most likely far more surveilled than London.