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> Deng Xiaopeng set the country up for orderly succession, and it did work up through Xi Jinping. Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin both cycled through office without a

by rlt 5y ago

> Deng Xiaopeng set the country up for orderly succession, and it did work up through Xi Jinping. Hu Jintao and Jiang Zemin both cycled through office without any of the things we associate with authoritarian rulers. There was no execution of your political opponents, after you beat them to office, or afterwards. Two orderly successions with no political executions isn’t a particularly high bar…

roenxi 5y ago
For somewhere like China, under authoritarian rule, that is a pretty high bar. The stakes are very high and there are a lot of talented, ambitious individuals. There is no theoretical framework for why one person shouldn't put their family in charge once you accept the idea that one party should be in charge. Deng, Jiang & Hu are all basically heros of the modern era for resisting any temptation.
- baybal2 5y ago
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  - krainboltgreene 5y ago
    Just bold faced racism, huh?
    - baybal2 5y ago
      Mr. Greene, can you explain where do you see bold faced racism in what I wrote. I point to: 1. In the communist power structure, there is no place for "ambitious," or "talented." The only point of communists hiring few Stanford graduates is to serve as an amicable facade to the West of otherwise ugly regime, and to serve them absolutely unquestionably, hence the justified moniker. As people seen in 201x the few of them who dared to raise the voice were punished with extreme brutality to instill terror among the remaining powerless bureaucrats, ensure their continued submission, and eliminate any remote possibility of their revolt. Any threat to power, and "talented, and ambitious" in particular == instant kill. The communist party of China pretty much made having brains a crime for its members. 2. The hereditary elite of the communist army from 1949 been the unchanging power holder in the country for 70 years. Since then they installed, and purged multiple sub-regimes, including the latest, Westerner friendly one. Their extreme decadence, and lack of any moral inhibition when it comes to fighting for privilege, and power as their only reason to live fully deserved this adjective.
      - krainboltgreene 5y ago
        Pretend better.
MangoCoffee 5y ago
>Two orderly successions with no political executions isn’t a particularly high bar… disagree. Mao started the culture revolution because he was ousted and succeed in taking back the powers. its a high bar that all leaders after Mao didn't try another culture revolution.
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by rlt 5y ago

roenxi 5y ago

For somewhere like China, under authoritarian rule, that is a pretty high bar. The stakes are very high and there are a lot of talented, ambitious individuals. There is no theoretical framework for why one person shouldn't put their family in charge once you accept the idea that one party should be in charge. Deng, Jiang & Hu are all basically heros of the modern era for resisting any temptation.

baybal2 5y ago
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- krainboltgreene 5y ago
  Just bold faced racism, huh?
  - baybal2 5y ago
    Mr. Greene, can you explain where do you see bold faced racism in what I wrote. I point to: 1. In the communist power structure, there is no place for "ambitious," or "talented." The only point of communists hiring few Stanford graduates is to serve as an amicable facade to the West of otherwise ugly regime, and to serve them absolutely unquestionably, hence the justified moniker. As people seen in 201x the few of them who dared to raise the voice were punished with extreme brutality to instill terror among the remaining powerless bureaucrats, ensure their continued submission, and eliminate any remote possibility of their revolt. Any threat to power, and "talented, and ambitious" in particular == instant kill. The communist party of China pretty much made having brains a crime for its members. 2. The hereditary elite of the communist army from 1949 been the unchanging power holder in the country for 70 years. Since then they installed, and purged multiple sub-regimes, including the latest, Westerner friendly one. Their extreme decadence, and lack of any moral inhibition when it comes to fighting for privilege, and power as their only reason to live fully deserved this adjective.
    - krainboltgreene 5y ago
      Pretend better.

MangoCoffee 5y ago

>Two orderly successions with no political executions isn’t a particularly high bar… disagree. Mao started the culture revolution because he was ousted and succeed in taking back the powers. its a high bar that all leaders after Mao didn't try another culture revolution.

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