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Agreed. Watching ADV China really helped me understand how bad the government is over there: https://youtube.com/c/ADVChina https://youtube.com/c/ADVChina

droopyEyelids 5y ago
Don't take this to mean I support china or think everything is roses over there, but that channel is simply propaganda. Genorously 40% of it is valid criticism, but if someone in china stubs a toe they will make a 30 minute video about the unsafe furniture epidemic.
- philliphaydon 5y ago
  I don’t watch that channel but have seen a couple of videos from laowhy86 before he left China, so would be curious to know what is not true on their channel.
  - wh313 5y ago
    Here's a two of his videos where he claims that COVID-19 emerged from a lab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GVcfP1zrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GVcfP1zrg And here's a pretty thorough analysis of the flaws with this theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk
    - philliphaydon 5y ago
      I'm unsure how he claims to have found the source. The theory begain at the beginning of Jan 2020 but he posted in April 2020. Just watching the 'thorough' analysis video, he talks about some person who posted a paper about the source, and in the screenshot it shows Feb 2020. And says the source of the paper was from laowhy86's video, which is published April 2020. I stopped watching there because it already makes no sense.
      - wh313 5y ago
        I believe you misunderstood his analysis. At timestamp 6:36 of his video [1], laowhy86 analyzes a copy of the draft "The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus" to conclude that the virus must have come from the lab. This preprint has been shown to be false by future scholarship (see the citations of the draft at [2] for some examples). Potholer then analyzes the veracity of the claims within that preprint in his video [3], starting with an excerpt of [1] starting at 2:02. So the timeline should be: Feb. 2020 - Preprint published -> Apr. 2020 - laowhy's video -> May 2020 - potholer's rebuttal [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=16994351437843448992&as_sdt=10005&sciodt=0,8&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1699435143784344899... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk

droopyEyelids 5y ago

Don't take this to mean I support china or think everything is roses over there, but that channel is simply propaganda. Genorously 40% of it is valid criticism, but if someone in china stubs a toe they will make a 30 minute video about the unsafe furniture epidemic.

philliphaydon 5y ago
I don’t watch that channel but have seen a couple of videos from laowhy86 before he left China, so would be curious to know what is not true on their channel.
- wh313 5y ago
  Here's a two of his videos where he claims that COVID-19 emerged from a lab: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GVcfP1zrg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GVcfP1zrg And here's a pretty thorough analysis of the flaws with this theory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk
  - philliphaydon 5y ago
    I'm unsure how he claims to have found the source. The theory begain at the beginning of Jan 2020 but he posted in April 2020. Just watching the 'thorough' analysis video, he talks about some person who posted a paper about the source, and in the screenshot it shows Feb 2020. And says the source of the paper was from laowhy86's video, which is published April 2020. I stopped watching there because it already makes no sense.
    - wh313 5y ago
      I believe you misunderstood his analysis. At timestamp 6:36 of his video [1], laowhy86 analyzes a copy of the draft "The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus" to conclude that the virus must have come from the lab. This preprint has been shown to be false by future scholarship (see the citations of the draft at [2] for some examples). Potholer then analyzes the veracity of the claims within that preprint in his video [3], starting with an excerpt of [1] starting at 2:02. So the timeline should be: Feb. 2020 - Preprint published -> Apr. 2020 - laowhy's video -> May 2020 - potholer's rebuttal [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpQFCcSI0pU [2] https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=16994351437843448992&as_sdt=10005&sciodt=0,8&hl=en https://scholar.google.com/scholar?cites=1699435143784344899... [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-r0capbzk