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You're ignoring that, as I pointed out, all of the choices are bad, and all of the choices are permanent. You want to make the choice for others, which is clear

You're ignoring that, as I pointed out, all of the choices are bad, and all of the choices are permanent. You want to make the choice for others, which is clearly worse. You're also confused into thinking that the school is encouraging one option when the article doesn't even suggest that is happening. Instead, it says teachers encourage students who show interest into joining Gay Straight Alliances to help prevent violence against LGBT people regardless of their personal medical choices.

DanBC 5y ago
Puberty blockers are not permanent.
- noxer 5y ago
  The blockers aren't but the damage they can cause can be very permanent.
  - DanBC 5y ago
    No, this untrue. There is no long term harm associated with puberty blockers. I wish the anti-trans crowd would be more honest. Just come out and say that you hate trans people, that you wish to roll-back the hard-won rights they have at the moment; that you disagree with the international scientific and medical community about best treatment; that you're happy to lie about the evidence to try to sound more reasonable and less hate-driven.
    - noxer 5y ago
      This is totally absurd. Of cause it has long therm effects whether these effects are declared as "harm" or not is subjective and whether they can be "legally" associated to puberty blockers is p much irrelevant. It obviously has long term side effects and some are potentially unwanted and permanent. And declaring everyone who disagrees with you as anti-trans who want to take people rights away and what not, make you the intolerant, hate-drive person you seem to see in others.
noxer 5y ago
>You want to make the choice for others, which is clearly worse. No I don't. But there is a consensus that certain people can not make such a decision i.e. kids and I think that is correct. I dont want to decide for them at all. I just pointed out who should not make the decision, a non-mature person who has a very limited view on the magnitude of the decision, has zero medical expertise on the topic and is possible in a very complicated mental and emotional state. I also pointed out that statistically speaking some strategies cause "collateral damage" and other don't. While each case has to be looked at individually one should not ignore the fact that contrarily to people wishes, no swift medical treatments are probably favorable. >You're also confused into thinking that the school is encouraging one option when the article doesn't even suggest that is happening. No. I'm not confused and that's not what I'm thinking or said. Beside that, separating people by letting them joining different alliances is an absurd way to prevent violence.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  Kids don't make medical decisions. Their parents do. Separating people is not what a Gay-Straight Alliance does. It's in the name.
  - noxer 5y ago
    >Kids don't make medical decisions. Their parents do. Yes and and that should not change. >Separating people is not what a Gay-Straight Alliance does. It's in the name. Not sure if naiv or trolling but obviously the name is completely irrelevant. If certain people are included and other excluded its not an alliance between these people.
    - lern_too_spel 5y ago
      Nobody is excluded. It sounds like you have no problem with what the teachers did.

DanBC 5y ago

Puberty blockers are not permanent.

noxer 5y ago
The blockers aren't but the damage they can cause can be very permanent.
- DanBC 5y ago
  No, this untrue. There is no long term harm associated with puberty blockers. I wish the anti-trans crowd would be more honest. Just come out and say that you hate trans people, that you wish to roll-back the hard-won rights they have at the moment; that you disagree with the international scientific and medical community about best treatment; that you're happy to lie about the evidence to try to sound more reasonable and less hate-driven.
  - noxer 5y ago
    This is totally absurd. Of cause it has long therm effects whether these effects are declared as "harm" or not is subjective and whether they can be "legally" associated to puberty blockers is p much irrelevant. It obviously has long term side effects and some are potentially unwanted and permanent. And declaring everyone who disagrees with you as anti-trans who want to take people rights away and what not, make you the intolerant, hate-drive person you seem to see in others.

noxer 5y ago

>You want to make the choice for others, which is clearly worse. No I don't. But there is a consensus that certain people can not make such a decision i.e. kids and I think that is correct. I dont want to decide for them at all. I just pointed out who should not make the decision, a non-mature person who has a very limited view on the magnitude of the decision, has zero medical expertise on the topic and is possible in a very complicated mental and emotional state. I also pointed out that statistically speaking some strategies cause "collateral damage" and other don't. While each case has to be looked at individually one should not ignore the fact that contrarily to people wishes, no swift medical treatments are probably favorable. >You're also confused into thinking that the school is encouraging one option when the article doesn't even suggest that is happening. No. I'm not confused and that's not what I'm thinking or said. Beside that, separating people by letting them joining different alliances is an absurd way to prevent violence.

lern_too_spel 5y ago
Kids don't make medical decisions. Their parents do. Separating people is not what a Gay-Straight Alliance does. It's in the name.
- noxer 5y ago
  >Kids don't make medical decisions. Their parents do. Yes and and that should not change. >Separating people is not what a Gay-Straight Alliance does. It's in the name. Not sure if naiv or trolling but obviously the name is completely irrelevant. If certain people are included and other excluded its not an alliance between these people.
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Nobody is excluded. It sounds like you have no problem with what the teachers did.