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Your experiences are meaningful to you, but they don't indicate anything significant about socialism. Socialism is not the goal of USA military. The point of th

Your experiences are meaningful to you, but they don't indicate anything significant about socialism. Socialism is not the goal of USA military. The point of the exercise is to transfer resources from citizens to armaments manufacturers. Who lives or dies, how they're treated in the meantime, the stories we tell about the whole mess, all this is random noise about which the generals DGAF. If we want to know about socialism, we'll observe Scandinavia or anywhere else where it actually happens. We don't need the tortured analogies of frustrated NCOs. I'm not a socialist, BTW.

kodah 5y ago
I don't think it's entirely accurate to say "ignore this evidence of a failed system". My point in highlighting it is there's an opportunity to fix it and experiment on a small scale. Imagine if you made that system work, how much you'd learn, and how much support you'd garner.
- jessaustin 5y ago
  You only consider USA military to be a "failed system" because you don't realize its actual purpose. One might imagine that it's about security... which, sure, total failure on that front. The actual purpose, as indicated above, is to transfer resources from USA citizens to armaments manufacturers, a purpose that is accomplished to greater degrees every year. Taking good care of the troops would detract from the goal, which is why that doesn't happen.
  - kodah 5y ago
    Eh, what?
    - jessaustin 5y ago
      You were at Camp Lejeune so you might have heard about "baby heaven". [0] That shit is just evil. No socialist system has deliberately poisoned military families just so the generals could get sweet jobs from private companies after they retired, so your experiences were of capitalism, not socialism. Calling it socialism just makes you look sort of clueless. This awful poisoning shit is still happening right now. [1] The officers who run particular installations DGAF about the health of people living there. They just want to "accomplish their objectives" which is invariably some wargames bullshit or fake statistical readiness scam. They get their ribbons or promotions or whatever and GTFO. Their grandkids won't have to drink tetrachloroethylene when they're living in some swanky NoVA suburb. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-trust-betrayed-the-untold-story-of-camp-lejeune-by-mike-magner/2014/04/04/34e273cc-b423-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-trust-betrayed-the... [1] https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/12/22/two-red-hill-spills-could-be-linked-with-one-much-larger-than-reported/ https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/12/22/two-red-hill-spills...

kodah 5y ago

I don't think it's entirely accurate to say "ignore this evidence of a failed system". My point in highlighting it is there's an opportunity to fix it and experiment on a small scale. Imagine if you made that system work, how much you'd learn, and how much support you'd garner.

jessaustin 5y ago
You only consider USA military to be a "failed system" because you don't realize its actual purpose. One might imagine that it's about security... which, sure, total failure on that front. The actual purpose, as indicated above, is to transfer resources from USA citizens to armaments manufacturers, a purpose that is accomplished to greater degrees every year. Taking good care of the troops would detract from the goal, which is why that doesn't happen.
- kodah 5y ago
  Eh, what?
  - jessaustin 5y ago
    You were at Camp Lejeune so you might have heard about "baby heaven". [0] That shit is just evil. No socialist system has deliberately poisoned military families just so the generals could get sweet jobs from private companies after they retired, so your experiences were of capitalism, not socialism. Calling it socialism just makes you look sort of clueless. This awful poisoning shit is still happening right now. [1] The officers who run particular installations DGAF about the health of people living there. They just want to "accomplish their objectives" which is invariably some wargames bullshit or fake statistical readiness scam. They get their ribbons or promotions or whatever and GTFO. Their grandkids won't have to drink tetrachloroethylene when they're living in some swanky NoVA suburb. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-trust-betrayed-the-untold-story-of-camp-lejeune-by-mike-magner/2014/04/04/34e273cc-b423-11e3-8020-b2d790b3c9e1_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/a-trust-betrayed-the... [1] https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/12/22/two-red-hill-spills-could-be-linked-with-one-much-larger-than-reported/ https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2021/12/22/two-red-hill-spills...