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Claiming that this study was "human research" is straight-up insane. There's as much "human research" going on there as there is when statisticians acquire data
by throw10920 5y ago
Claiming that this study was "human research" is straight-up insane. There's as much "human research" going on there as there is when statisticians acquire data by going to a human who possesses it and asking for it (e.g. they want to study baseball, so they go to the Head Excel Overlord of the MLB and ask for their data) - that is, exactly none.
Analyzing data that was given to you by a human does not automatically make your research project "human research", full stop.
The research question here is "How do organizations fulfill their legal requirements due to the GDPR and CCPA?" and has nothing to do with individuals. The researchers didn't want any data about the humans, they didn't ask for it, they weren't studying reaction time, psychological response, brain activity, or anything else about any humans at all.
If the answer to the question "Could you replace a human in experiment with an automated process and still perform a meaningful experiment with conceptually identical results?" is "yes", then there is no human research going on. Test: Stanford Prison Experiment: answer "no" (because the students were actually the ones being studied), turns out to be human research. Test: studying the properties of a crystal in a lab, and one of the machines is operated by a human grad student, answer is "yes", not human research. (note also that this test just proves that human research isn't being done - if you replace the baseball players in the above example with robotic batters, the answer the above question is "no", but clearly human experimentation isn't happening)
Similarly, if each of the individuals who were contacted were replaced with a Perl script scanning for keywords that automatically replied with the organization's GDPR and CCPA policies, the results from the experiment would be. Exactly. The. Same.
In fact, let's go and look up the definition of "human subjects research":
According to 45 CFR 46, a human subject is "a living individual about whom an investigator (whether professional or student) conducting research:
Obtains information or biospecimens through intervention or interaction with the individual, and uses, studies, or analyzes the information or biospecimens; or
Obtains, uses, studies, analyzes, or generates identifiable private information or identifiable biospecimens."
...from the NIH at https://grants.nih.gov/policy/humansubjects/research.htm https://grants.nih.gov/policy/humansubjects/research.htm, and clearly does not describe what's going here.
Let me repeat again: the fact that humans responded to the emails about GDPR+CCPA compliance of an organization owning the email is completely irrelevant. The experimenters didn't care about whether their request was serviced by a human or a computer, and in fact would have preferred computerized responses (instant response, more standardized formats, no possibility of human error).
Claiming that this is "human experimentation" is disingenuous to the point of malice.
- kstrauser 5y ago> The research question here is "How do organizations fulfill their legal requirements due to the GDPR and CCPA?" and has nothing to do with individuals. Where your position falls apart is that they sent emails to private individuals. Although I'm employed, I received the email to my personal address regarding a not-for-profit, zero-revenue hobby website I maintain. Another story here on HN was from them sending the letter to a blogger. They didn't contact people in the "eventually it will end up on the desk of a human lawyer at a Fortune 500 company" sense, but in the "this came to my personal computer and was addressed to me individually" way. Frankly, I don't care what their stated purpose was here: the reality is that they directly contacted a whole awful lot of people about their hobbies.
- throw10920 5y ago> Where your position falls apart is that they sent emails to private individuals. That in no way counteracts any part of my argument. Actually, if anything, it reinforces it - the fact that the emails sent to private individuals were unintentional proves that there was no human research being done. It's quite clearly impossible to accidentally do research on humans. It is possible to unintentionally harm people as a result of doing non-human research - but then again, you can unintentionally harm others through traffic accidents, business deals, entering the wrong information into a database, engaging in gossip, accidentally bungling a normal research experiment (high-energy physics?) and doing just about anything in life. It should be really obvious that the possibility (or reality) of human harm doesn't imply human research. > Although I'm employed, I received the email to my personal address regarding a not-for-profit, zero-revenue hobby website I maintain. Another story here on HN was from them sending the letter to a blogger. ...and, really, there should have been no harm done. If you run a website, then you have a certain set of rights and responsibilities, and one of those responsibilities is to know exactly what data your site collects, and how to respond to a GDPR or CCPA request. That applies to you, to that other blogger, Xe, and every single person (and organization) that received these emails. And, if you weren't prepared for that, that's your fault, and consider this bungled research project a wake-up call.