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I don't take issue with reprimands. I take issue with their conversations being recorded. Which absolutely is different than before, when whispering to a classm

I don't take issue with reprimands. I take issue with their conversations being recorded. Which absolutely is different than before, when whispering to a classmate, even during class, would remain reasonably private. Unless a microphone was installed at every desk. > their school device is monitored during class. So messages sent during recess, or after hours, are not recorded? Even if part of a chat conversation or e-mail chain where some messages were sent during class? Or is the entire device monitored, meaning if they view during class a chat conversation that took place after-school, the entire conversation is recorded? Or even if they don't view it during class? You said the device is monitored, so would that include all the chat logs and e-mails stored on it? Chats and e-mails that would leave students socially hermits if they ignored out of a desire for privacy. The example document you linked only mentions screen-recording, that the student is alerted to when it's activated. Are you sure that's the full extent of their spying capabilities, or that it's the same service these teachers were discussing? It does not seem to enable the kind of self-professed "stalking" these teachers described.

lern_too_spel 5y ago
Every stalking incident described in the article can be done with screen recording. Which one do you think can't?
- jevoten 5y ago
  The ones where kids chat about or search for non-school-related, very delicate and private topics, with their teacher digitally looking over their shoulder (to which the stalking software you implied they use would have alerted the students - or so the brochure claims). It's possible the kids don't care about the spying, and keep discussing/searching for those topics even when the "You are being monitored" notification pops up. But I don't find that likely. Nor would the teachers describe it as "stalking" if that information was shared willingly. Maybe by suddenly turning on screen recording, teachers were able to catch snapshots of chats and searches before the students could close those windows? But that is still a gross violation of privacy, and definitely not "no different from before".
  - lern_too_spel 5y ago
    Those are done by looking at their screens. The teachers are likely notified if anyone is not looking at their Zoom window and then just go over and see what they're doing. Searching for topics that happen to cross your mind is hard to resist, and the students likely don't care if the teachers know they are searching about LGBT rights or clicking on the Google Doodle. Why would they?

lern_too_spel 5y ago

Every stalking incident described in the article can be done with screen recording. Which one do you think can't?

jevoten 5y ago
The ones where kids chat about or search for non-school-related, very delicate and private topics, with their teacher digitally looking over their shoulder (to which the stalking software you implied they use would have alerted the students - or so the brochure claims). It's possible the kids don't care about the spying, and keep discussing/searching for those topics even when the "You are being monitored" notification pops up. But I don't find that likely. Nor would the teachers describe it as "stalking" if that information was shared willingly. Maybe by suddenly turning on screen recording, teachers were able to catch snapshots of chats and searches before the students could close those windows? But that is still a gross violation of privacy, and definitely not "no different from before".
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  Those are done by looking at their screens. The teachers are likely notified if anyone is not looking at their Zoom window and then just go over and see what they're doing. Searching for topics that happen to cross your mind is hard to resist, and the students likely don't care if the teachers know they are searching about LGBT rights or clicking on the Google Doodle. Why would they?