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Exactly. All electric heating should be replaced by GPUs. If you need to heat up a room with electricity, at least do some proof of work along the way.

by leobg 5y ago

formerly_proven 5y ago
GPUs are just resistive heating with extra steps, COP 1. Heat pumps can do way better most of the time.
- AnthonyMouse 5y ago
  Hardware for mining cryptocurrency is self-financing in a relatively short period of time when the electricity is "free" since you're using it for heat anyway. Heat pumps require a significant capital investment which would have to be recovered on only their efficiency improvement, since they don't otherwise generate revenue. The math is different for new construction. There heat pumps make a lot more sense because the capital cost is relative to some other heating system you don't already have. Then the higher efficiency will generally cover the relative capital cost even if it wouldn't cover the total capital cost. This might still be less profitable than mining cryptocurrency (depending on a variety of factors) but better than any other traditional heating system.
  - michaelt 5y ago
    > Hardware for mining cryptocurrency is self-financing in a relatively short period of time when the electricity is "free" No it isn't. I know because I looked into it. Assuming the price of bitcoin doesn't rise or fall, a cutting edge bit of dedicated bitcoin mining hardware will pay for itself in 3 years if operated continuously on free electricity, and will be effectively obsolete in 5 years, as difficulty increases and rewards drop. So if you only operate the hardware 50% of the time it'll be obsolete before it's paid for itself.
    - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
      That's because you're using Bitcoin, for which custom ASICs are a thousand times more power efficient than commodity hardware and so commodity hardware is useless, but custom ASICs are stupid expensive. What you want is a cryptocurrency that ASICs are no better at than CPUs or GPUs, so can use an ordinary CPU or GPU that will pay for itself more quickly because most of the mining cost is electricity instead of hardware. (Hint: the hardware you want in this case has the best performance/$, not necessarily the best performance/watt.)
      - _1tan 5y ago
        Which cryptocurrency would work for example? Monero?
        AnthonyMouse 5y ago
        The returns from CPU mining are really low. The advantage is you can use your existing PC(s) and not buy anything. Tom's Hardware did a list for GPUs: https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-mining-gpus-benchmarked-and-ranked https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-mining-gpus-ben... "Which cryptocurrency" will also vary over time since the prices are all over the place, but that's the other advantage of not-ASICs. You can switch to whichever one pays better this month.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  "Heat pumps can do way better most of the time." Sure, but they are so rare at present thay in my entire life I have not even seen one.

Exactly. All electric heating should be replaced by GPUs. If you need to heat up a room with electricity, at least do some proof of work along the way.

by leobg 5y ago

Exactly. All electric heating should be replaced by GPUs. If you need to heat up a room with electricity, at least do some proof of work along the way.

formerly_proven 5y ago

GPUs are just resistive heating with extra steps, COP 1. Heat pumps can do way better most of the time.

AnthonyMouse 5y ago
Hardware for mining cryptocurrency is self-financing in a relatively short period of time when the electricity is "free" since you're using it for heat anyway. Heat pumps require a significant capital investment which would have to be recovered on only their efficiency improvement, since they don't otherwise generate revenue. The math is different for new construction. There heat pumps make a lot more sense because the capital cost is relative to some other heating system you don't already have. Then the higher efficiency will generally cover the relative capital cost even if it wouldn't cover the total capital cost. This might still be less profitable than mining cryptocurrency (depending on a variety of factors) but better than any other traditional heating system.
- michaelt 5y ago
  > Hardware for mining cryptocurrency is self-financing in a relatively short period of time when the electricity is "free" No it isn't. I know because I looked into it. Assuming the price of bitcoin doesn't rise or fall, a cutting edge bit of dedicated bitcoin mining hardware will pay for itself in 3 years if operated continuously on free electricity, and will be effectively obsolete in 5 years, as difficulty increases and rewards drop. So if you only operate the hardware 50% of the time it'll be obsolete before it's paid for itself.
  - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
    That's because you're using Bitcoin, for which custom ASICs are a thousand times more power efficient than commodity hardware and so commodity hardware is useless, but custom ASICs are stupid expensive. What you want is a cryptocurrency that ASICs are no better at than CPUs or GPUs, so can use an ordinary CPU or GPU that will pay for itself more quickly because most of the mining cost is electricity instead of hardware. (Hint: the hardware you want in this case has the best performance/$, not necessarily the best performance/watt.)
    - _1tan 5y ago
      Which cryptocurrency would work for example? Monero?
      - AnthonyMouse 5y ago
        The returns from CPU mining are really low. The advantage is you can use your existing PC(s) and not buy anything. Tom's Hardware did a list for GPUs: https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-mining-gpus-benchmarked-and-ranked https://www.tomshardware.com/best-picks/best-mining-gpus-ben... "Which cryptocurrency" will also vary over time since the prices are all over the place, but that's the other advantage of not-ASICs. You can switch to whichever one pays better this month.
ClumsyPilot 5y ago
"Heat pumps can do way better most of the time." Sure, but they are so rare at present thay in my entire life I have not even seen one.