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"EVERYONE IS BRAINWASHED EXCEPT OF US BLESSED AMERICANS" F15 flyover bombing of some random civilians cool individualism that was build on exploitation of the p

"EVERYONE IS BRAINWASHED EXCEPT OF US BLESSED AMERICANS" F15 flyover bombing of some random civilians cool individualism that was build on exploitation of the planet and the 90% of the world KEK, sustainable, mate. China workd. I lived there for years and people were happier than here in Germany. I am just sooooooo sick and tired of those anti-China sentiment here in HN. EVERY SINGLE TIME a china article is posted, you just read shit. If it was balanced, i would not care, but it is so predictable. I just want to rant and vomit.

kwere 5y ago
i envy 996 in Shangai with the freedom to die from food poisoning ever other day while keeping my head down in name of "social armony".
- dang 5y ago
  Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait to HN? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account. We're trying for a different sort of forum here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
dnautics 5y ago
> lived Past tense. Things have been getting worse in china. Many of us who are shitting on china are doing so out of love and out of pain because it looked like there was a chance it would have become an awesomer place.
ronsor 5y ago
worked China is very good at pretending that everything is OK.
adamsb6 5y ago
Agreed, there's a lot of unthinking Sinophobia. I wish we had visa-less travel so more people could visit and see that it's not a scary place. It's a different system for sure, and you can be jailed for saying certain things, but that's true for almost everywhere except America. Germany jails holocaust deniers.
- gentleman11 5y ago
  I met an English teacher who did visit China not too long afo. They were arrested and interrogated for days in a concrete room until his government paid a bribe (called a fine) for his release. His crime was teaching English after some regional goon changed the rule silently near the end of his visit in order to extort people. My professor at the time talked about how this was common No thanks for the visit. Not to mention how china is detaining foreigners lately with death penalty sentences to blackmail other nations into obeying them (most recent example I can think of was Canada) State driven kidnapping and extortion really kill tourism
- nebula8804 5y ago
  At least for Americans, I don't think many can afford to travel and those who do probably have considered visiting or have visited. Only ~1/3 of Americans have a valid passport. I assume part of it is due to the US itself being so vast and diverse that you can really explore this country and probably be content but also that ~51% of Americans have less than three months of emergency savings. Combine this with no legal mandated days off and its not looking good for a lot of the country.
fishtacos 5y ago
This is not anti-chinese sentiment. This is an objective take on geo-political matters regarding an outwardly belligerent anti-western world power functioning under authoritarian rule (which is freely admitted by them, btw). T This same power is also allied with another major anti-western power, the russian federation, forming an alliance meant to disrupt and expand. An empirial mindset that is threatening global stability.
dang 5y ago
Please stop "ranting and vomiting" on HN. Not only does it not help, you're reinforcing exactly the situation you're deploring. That damages this community in a deeper way. HN is a highly international community but it is also highly Western. You can't expect attitudes on topics remote from Western understanding to be either balanced or informed—especially not when the topic is politically and nationally charged. The same would be true of any group of HN's size and regional composition. That's a baseline condition we can't do a thing to change. The question is how we should handle it. I've expended a huge amount of effort trying to protect this place for minority voices (including about China - here's a list I put together for another user some time ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod). I regularly get accused of being a communist agent and all the rest of it (which expresses the stupidity-of-the-collective in a way that would be scary if it weren't so trivial), and I can tell you for sure that accounts like yours, making the opposing case in a name-calling, ranting way, are a big part of the problem on this. So please stop. Anyone who wants to represent a minority view to a majority (especially a highly-charged majority) has a special responsibility not to "rant and vomit" in a wake-up-sheeple fashion. If you do that, all you achieve is to recharge the majority and reinforce its righteousness in precisely the places you want to see change. Should you happen to be arguing in favor of the truth (or some aspect of the truth), then you discredit the truth, which hurts everybody. I've been trying to make this point to people for years, on a wide range of topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor.... Arguably it's not fair that the minority has an additional burden that the majority doesn't have, but it's the way these conversations work, and we can't do a thing to change that either.
- refenestrator 5y ago
  It's not just a civility burden, it's a factual burden. If somebody came onto HN posting obviously dumb stuff about how American people feel and think, they'd be downvoted, because everyone can see the obvious falsehood. But when it's Chinese, majority vote of Americans decides the truth! They will tell you the real deal on how things work inside China. And if someone calls them morons, we have you to come in and keep things civil.

kwere 5y ago

i envy 996 in Shangai with the freedom to die from food poisoning ever other day while keeping my head down in name of "social armony".

dang 5y ago
Would you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait to HN? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly, and we ban that sort of account. We're trying for a different sort of forum here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dnautics 5y ago

> lived Past tense. Things have been getting worse in china. Many of us who are shitting on china are doing so out of love and out of pain because it looked like there was a chance it would have become an awesomer place.

ronsor 5y ago

worked China is very good at pretending that everything is OK.

adamsb6 5y ago

Agreed, there's a lot of unthinking Sinophobia. I wish we had visa-less travel so more people could visit and see that it's not a scary place. It's a different system for sure, and you can be jailed for saying certain things, but that's true for almost everywhere except America. Germany jails holocaust deniers.

gentleman11 5y ago
I met an English teacher who did visit China not too long afo. They were arrested and interrogated for days in a concrete room until his government paid a bribe (called a fine) for his release. His crime was teaching English after some regional goon changed the rule silently near the end of his visit in order to extort people. My professor at the time talked about how this was common No thanks for the visit. Not to mention how china is detaining foreigners lately with death penalty sentences to blackmail other nations into obeying them (most recent example I can think of was Canada) State driven kidnapping and extortion really kill tourism
nebula8804 5y ago
At least for Americans, I don't think many can afford to travel and those who do probably have considered visiting or have visited. Only ~1/3 of Americans have a valid passport. I assume part of it is due to the US itself being so vast and diverse that you can really explore this country and probably be content but also that ~51% of Americans have less than three months of emergency savings. Combine this with no legal mandated days off and its not looking good for a lot of the country.

fishtacos 5y ago

This is not anti-chinese sentiment. This is an objective take on geo-political matters regarding an outwardly belligerent anti-western world power functioning under authoritarian rule (which is freely admitted by them, btw). T This same power is also allied with another major anti-western power, the russian federation, forming an alliance meant to disrupt and expand. An empirial mindset that is threatening global stability.

dang 5y ago

Please stop "ranting and vomiting" on HN. Not only does it not help, you're reinforcing exactly the situation you're deploring. That damages this community in a deeper way. HN is a highly international community but it is also highly Western. You can't expect attitudes on topics remote from Western understanding to be either balanced or informed—especially not when the topic is politically and nationally charged. The same would be true of any group of HN's size and regional composition. That's a baseline condition we can't do a thing to change. The question is how we should handle it. I've expended a huge amount of effort trying to protect this place for minority voices (including about China - here's a list I put together for another user some time ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod https://news.ycombinator.com/chinamod). I regularly get accused of being a communist agent and all the rest of it (which expresses the stupidity-of-the-collective in a way that would be scary if it weren't so trivial), and I can tell you for sure that accounts like yours, making the opposing case in a name-calling, ranting way, are a big part of the problem on this. So please stop. Anyone who wants to represent a minority view to a majority (especially a highly-charged majority) has a special responsibility not to "rant and vomit" in a wake-up-sheeple fashion. If you do that, all you achieve is to recharge the majority and reinforce its righteousness in precisely the places you want to see change. Should you happen to be arguing in favor of the truth (or some aspect of the truth), then you discredit the truth, which hurts everybody. I've been trying to make this point to people for years, on a wide range of topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=truth%20discredit%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor.... Arguably it's not fair that the minority has an additional burden that the majority doesn't have, but it's the way these conversations work, and we can't do a thing to change that either.

refenestrator 5y ago
It's not just a civility burden, it's a factual burden. If somebody came onto HN posting obviously dumb stuff about how American people feel and think, they'd be downvoted, because everyone can see the obvious falsehood. But when it's Chinese, majority vote of Americans decides the truth! They will tell you the real deal on how things work inside China. And if someone calls them morons, we have you to come in and keep things civil.