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> "Two-spirit" is a new one on me In that case, perhaps google it rather than make glib remarks about it?

causality0 5y ago
Two Spirit is considered a contemporary, umbrella term that is specific to the Indigenous LGBT2QQIA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Two Spirit, queer, questioning, intersexual, asexual) community. Frankly I'm not sure whether to laugh at the idea a gender identity can be limited to a specific ethnicity or to condemn it as inherently racist. This is entirely too meta.
- EForEndeavour 5y ago
  To be fair, I'm pretty sure "specific to" here means "comes from the culture of," not "can only ever apply to people of the following ethnicity." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender > [Third gender is] a social category present in societies that recognize three or more genders. This article provides some examples from around the world of cultures which recognize nonbinary genders. I'm not used to that, and evidently you aren't either, because the concept isn't "specific to" the cultures we grew up in.
- vmception 5y ago
  Its easier when you think of them as sovereign separate cultures with their own customs than just an amorphous “indigenous” ethnicity. And then conform that to majority society while trying to maintain representation and respect. Thats why it looks sillier than it is. They retroactively adopted the LGBTXYZ Its not meta, its ignorable It has nothing to do with us or the level of inclusion we learn to tolerate/appreciate, if you arent in vancouver area (or any place in Canada with pre-colonial civilizations nearby, as someone else wrote)
- yostrovs 5y ago
  It's surprising to lump asexual people with bisexual, lesbian, etc. It's like lumping people that hate cars with members of Mercedes and Porsche clubs into a "community".
  - jjj123 5y ago
    I know you’re just making a joke, but the premise is a off. The queer community is a community because we are all sexual minorities. Asexual people obviously fit that description.
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  >a gender identity can be limited to a specific ethnicity That's not what is happening here at all. It's a specific term regarding sexuality from a specific culture.
- andreskytt 5y ago
  The entire concept of talking about gender being “fluid” while proceeding to divide it into an increasingly complex framework of discrete classes is very meta. People are more complex than that, let them be! I do get that young people seek to gain a labeled identity (mine was “metalhead”) but that does not mean the rest of the society should play along. This creates a dangerous feedback loop: the more acceptable the complex set of identity drawers gets, the more difficult it is for a person to validate their inherent feeing of being different. Thus, through pain they invent new boxes, these get picked up and normalized globally making it harder for the next guy to answer “I’m different than any of this, who am I?” There’s a balance to the tension of discovering one’s identity. Making it too easy will cause suffering as will making it unnecessarily hard.
  - causality0 5y ago
    Over time I've increasingly leaned toward the idea that "gender" is only different from "style" in the general perception that gender obligates other people to react to you in a specific way based on your chosen expression. Which is weird.

Two Spirit is considered a contemporary, umbrella term that is specific to the Indigenous LGBT2QQIA (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender, Two Spirit, queer, questioning, intersexual, asexual) community. Frankly I'm not sure whether to laugh at the idea a gender identity can be limited to a specific ethnicity or to condemn it as inherently racist. This is entirely too meta.

EForEndeavour 5y ago
To be fair, I'm pretty sure "specific to" here means "comes from the culture of," not "can only ever apply to people of the following ethnicity." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_gender > [Third gender is] a social category present in societies that recognize three or more genders. This article provides some examples from around the world of cultures which recognize nonbinary genders. I'm not used to that, and evidently you aren't either, because the concept isn't "specific to" the cultures we grew up in.
vmception 5y ago
Its easier when you think of them as sovereign separate cultures with their own customs than just an amorphous “indigenous” ethnicity. And then conform that to majority society while trying to maintain representation and respect. Thats why it looks sillier than it is. They retroactively adopted the LGBTXYZ Its not meta, its ignorable It has nothing to do with us or the level of inclusion we learn to tolerate/appreciate, if you arent in vancouver area (or any place in Canada with pre-colonial civilizations nearby, as someone else wrote)
yostrovs 5y ago
It's surprising to lump asexual people with bisexual, lesbian, etc. It's like lumping people that hate cars with members of Mercedes and Porsche clubs into a "community".
- jjj123 5y ago
  I know you’re just making a joke, but the premise is a off. The queer community is a community because we are all sexual minorities. Asexual people obviously fit that description.
unethical_ban 5y ago
>a gender identity can be limited to a specific ethnicity That's not what is happening here at all. It's a specific term regarding sexuality from a specific culture.
andreskytt 5y ago
The entire concept of talking about gender being “fluid” while proceeding to divide it into an increasingly complex framework of discrete classes is very meta. People are more complex than that, let them be! I do get that young people seek to gain a labeled identity (mine was “metalhead”) but that does not mean the rest of the society should play along. This creates a dangerous feedback loop: the more acceptable the complex set of identity drawers gets, the more difficult it is for a person to validate their inherent feeing of being different. Thus, through pain they invent new boxes, these get picked up and normalized globally making it harder for the next guy to answer “I’m different than any of this, who am I?” There’s a balance to the tension of discovering one’s identity. Making it too easy will cause suffering as will making it unnecessarily hard.
- causality0 5y ago
  Over time I've increasingly leaned toward the idea that "gender" is only different from "style" in the general perception that gender obligates other people to react to you in a specific way based on your chosen expression. Which is weird.